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Future Impact now available!! WAS: deep impact reissue!!! interested?

#201
JehuJava said:
I don't disagree with anything you're saying, though for the bass player that has no idea how to play even single note patterns on a keyboard, a significant investment of time is needed to be proficient enough...beyond playing one note drones. Too some, a synth pedal is just easier to get synth tones and play an interesting line.

Some, like Kevtop, just want the synth pedal sound rather than a keyboard. However, what BadMutha points out is 100% spot on. Small developer from scratch to reproduce the worlds best synth pedal? For under 200-300 smackers? You're crazy.

Would I pay that much? Probably not. But I've never found a synth pedal that really meets my needs. The G5 was close, but nothing like the Moog Minitaur. I've wasted too much time and money trying to get a good synth sound in bass that I liked. So I probably will not be buying this. Though it sounds awfully intriguing and I'm excited for the synth pedal market to get another option. Besides, it sounds like it's going to be way more flexible and usable than the OG pedal. So as long as it's less money than the vintage, I'm sure many will be happy.
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First off. I want to apologize for being a bit of a jerk in my post.

I just take issue with certain specifics that are yet unknown, and in this I am making a multitude of assumptions. One is that the pedal market is one micro market in which cost is hugely inflated, knowing especially that the cost of components is very minimal, and many are assembled in China. I get there is the planning, schematics, research, testing, etc... but some of the prices I see folks willing to spend on a single pedal here is astounding. Again that is their choice, but I personally couldn't justify it for myself.

Another issue I have is folks acting as if this particular creator has no connections, or his foot in the door given that he already previously worked in this field.

I don't know how one quantifies cost according to certain aspects such as research/design, but I think when people ask for $500+ for a single pedal that is just flat out taking the piss.
 
#203
Halabja said:
First off. I want to apologize for being a bit of a jerk in my post.

I just take issue with certain specifics that are yet unknown, and in this I am making a multitude of assumptions. One is that the pedal market is one micro market in which cost is hugely inflated, knowing especially that the cost of components is very minimal, and many are assembled in China. I get there is the planning, schematics, research, testing, etc... but some of the prices I see folks willing to spend on a single pedal here is astounding. Again that is their choice, but I personally couldn't justify it for myself.

Another issue I have is folks acting as if this particular creator has no connections, or his foot in the door given that he already previously worked in this field.

I don't know how one quantifies cost according to certain aspects such as research/design, but I think when people ask for $500+ for a single pedal that is just flat out taking the piss.
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No offense taken over here. I'm completely talking out of my backside on most of this anyway. And I can't really argue too much on your viewpoint.

I will say I've owned a bunch of $400+ pedals. Some were worth it, like the Strymon TimeLine or Eventide PitchFactor. Others were not, like the Diamond Memory Lane 2. And others like the Animato I won't even consider worth it. I guess it will remain to be seen what this Future Impact will cost and if it will be worth it or not.
 
#204
Alien8 said:
The best way to get a sense of who is actually committed is to fire up a kick starter, and advertise it in the forums & the music scene. Money trails always show the truth.
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Concur, that's the real test.

Apologies, I haven't read the whole thread, so I may be duplicating ... but wouldn't it be nice if it appeared in a smaller form factor ? I'm thinking of the Beat Buddy, that's a comparable product in terms of technology used isn't it ?

I'd definitely join a crowd funded venture that produce a pedal in that form factor.
 
#205
I owned and gigged with the deep impact for many years until it finally crapped out. It was built really well and lasted through countless gigs and abuse. Even though I think the korg g5 is a better synth pedal due to better programming capability and switching for live use, I would still be interested in a reissue due to the akais small size compared to the g5.
I presently use the zoom ms60b for synth sounds (its OK, nothing groundbreaking) now because I just don't want to carry a bigger pedal board for the g5.
So I'm eager to see where this goes but as others have said seems like a huge expense and a tall order to reproduce, and quite frankly I wouldn't drop 3 to 4 hundred on the pedal when there are other options. The reissue needs to offer much more such as more waveforms and better program switching. Also i dont think this will get off the ground without real financial backing from a major company. intrigued and subscribed. :)
 
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Having previously owned one and sold it when I was low on $$ and after having discovered they were selling for $500+... But I regret it badly. For those who don't know why the pedal is so righteous, it's because of the tracking. It's the best tracking of any synth pedal I've ever played with. The sounds are really good too - funky and highly programmable.

I'd flip my wig if these were re released! $300 is acceptable to me for such a pedal. $250 would sell faster, but that's about the range I would think.

As for metal chassis, we have a company that does great folded metal stuff. They do our pedals as well as Mesa Boogie amps and tons of other pedal guys. Totally affordable and great quality. Let me know if that's an issue, I'll refer him to these guys.
 
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BigBeatNut said:
Concur, that's the real test.

Apologies, I haven't read the whole thread, so I may be duplicating ... but wouldn't it be nice if it appeared in a smaller form factor ? I'm thinking of the Beat Buddy, that's a comparable product in terms of technology used isn't it ?

I'd definitely join a crowd funded venture that produce a pedal in that form factor.
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It just occurred to me what you could do with a crowdfunding campaign, and some of the debates we've been having about different features. If you did it on Kickstarter, there could be "stretch" goals. Based on how the developer seems to be leaning, you could have the base unit with no USB, but adding USB is a "stretch" goal. Just a thought.
 
#217
Mosfed said:
Why do I think that this poor developer is thinking that asking TB was one of the worst things he ever did?!?

We could debate this stuff for centuries. Just put out the pedal already...
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COUNTERPOINT:

I think David Packouz would tell you that the TB thread for the Beat Buddy made it a much better product. They weren't initially considering MIDI; now MIDI is an important part of the product, and it's my understanding that's directly attributable to the TB thread. The pre-order and retail prices stayed (relatively) under control, and we got a better product at the end of the day (even if it took forever). Panda has some hard choices to make for sure, but I don't think taking the temperature of the market can ever be a bad thing...
 
#219
adamaarts said:
@rsmith601 you find this guy and make the reissue by SOURCE AUDIO. it couldn't get any more perfect.
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I'm sure that's a lot easier said than done from both a business arrangement and a product standpoint. I'm also positive that no one around here would object!
 
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from the dev:

"Here is a block diagram of the algorithms and a screenshot from the temporary editor. Please note that these are not yet final, this is implemented up to now, and maybe some more is coming yet. Oscillators on the block diagram are very simplified, you can see the real parameters on the screenshot. Beyond the three waveforms the oscillators have a special waveshaping mode that generates extremely rich metallic sounds. This requires the extra volume for each oscillator. Each oscillator has a pulse width modulation block with LFO and a release envelope.

The filter has lowpass, bandpass, highpass, notch modes with 12dB/oct or 24 dB/oct mode. The filter tracks perfectly with the pitch, you can drive it to oscillation to make whistle sounds that are tracking the pitch. "
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