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Future Impact now available!! WAS: deep impact reissue!!! interested?

#161
nshuman said:
I don't think people are being cheap. Given that the MarkBass SuperSynth goes for like 279 new and has a pretty good computer editing interface. People saying they would not pay more than 200-250 are referring to a "reissue" of the original. If you are going to price this at 450$, some people will expect 450$ of value. That might mean different things to different people. For some, that includes MIDI, usb, cross platform software, updated sound palette, etc. At 450, a recreation of the original with no perceived added value could be a tough sell for some.

A lot of people who answer 200-250 max in this thread have probably spent more than that on a pedal before, they are just not willing to spend more than that on this one, does not make them cheap.
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But you have to keep in mind the research and development of all the functions everyone is wanting. Let's be real here. 200 for a multi pedal or a synth like this is a little low. Especially given the rare factor of the original. Sure it's doable for some companies but not all.

People expect the world for that price which is absurd. I get that it's not ideal but that's what second hand is for.

They could sell these all day long to Muse fanboys and not bat a eye.

My point is let's see how this develops before we all say "I'll only pay this" because we all know that regardless of what we say at the time if we want it enough, we'll find a way.
 
#163
jwr said:
Also please don't take what I'm saying as rude. Not trying to come off that way. I apologize if I did.
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No, I did not take it as rude. I was just saying that people are mixing up a lot of stuff in this thread. Half of people are saying what they would pay for a DeepImpact reissue/exact clone, the other half are asking for a FutureImpact that will replace their Moog Fatty ;)

Personally, I would be interested in a 150-600$ synth pedal depending on what it is, does, comes with.
 
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#165
nshuman said:
I don't think people are being cheap. Given that the MarkBass SuperSynth goes for like 279 new and has a pretty good computer editing interface. People saying they would not pay more than 200-250 are referring to a "reissue" of the original. If you are going to price this at 450$, some people will expect 450$ of value. That might mean different things to different people. For some, that includes MIDI, usb, cross platform software, updated sound palette, etc. At 450, a recreation of the original with no perceived added value could be a tough sell for some.

A lot of people who answer 200-250 max in this thread have probably spent more than that on a pedal before, they are just not willing to spend more than that on this one, does not make them cheap.
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Lethgar said:
Agreed with above. It's not that I won't pay 400, I just shouldn't have to unless we are getting let's say, H9 level functionality, though that may not be the best example. For that price in today's market we should at least be getting USB or BT and a solid app, easy interface, multiple footswitches for patch or bank up and down, and a strong variety of sounds available. That isn't asking too much from a company the size or Eventide, Markbass, or SA. A one off reissue though is a different story. So we are left with the prospect that this will cost as much as a decent bass, and that puts me out of the purchasing demographic. I'm not being cheap, I'm being realistic. Same reason I wouldn't buy a Cali76 or a big Strymon. For that money I just have too much else I'd rather have when cheaper pedals are giving me the same functionality live.
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I agree with the general gist of these e-mails if not necessarily the specifics. I have a few expensive pedals on my pedalboard, so I'm not afraid of $300+ in a vacuum. However, the pedal has to justify it. I've never owned/played a DI, but I would guess that in terms of functionality (if not sounds per se) the Markbass is probably the best comparison to what the DI was---10ish presets, good tracking, etc. So if it's a straight-up reissue, I would hope to see it at that price point or less. If it has significantly more features, I could possibly go higher.
 
#167
mactac said:
Is he also the same guy who did the unibass? The bass world needs a good replacement for the unibass - same idea, just a bit better "guitar" sound. It would sell like crazy imho.
The octave needs to be a bit more organic sounding, and it needs a return mix so you can put a pedal or two in the loop of the octave tone. I don't think there are any competitors to this, and it's the greatest thing in the world for a 3-pc band. I also believe it has a much bigger market potential that a synth pedal.

I'd be into collaborating on it, or helping market it, or whatever. Maybe run it by him and put us in touch.
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Octron 2
 
#168
All this talk of DIs. I've got a DI built into my PZed-Pre, and one on my amp. Another DI on my Bass Xciter and Punch Factory compressor.
:spit:

As for the ADI (Akai Deep Impact), I'd like one. Or a reissue. Or a new & improved Deeper Impact. Or an SA synth.

Maybe I'll just get a gated fuzz, chorus, ring-mod and octave pedal and build my own Bass Synth, with blackjack and hookers.

 
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#169
Adamixoye said:
I can't speak for marijn, but for me it was the experience on the MBSS that made me agree with him. A software editor is great; I want to have one. But it should never take the place of what you should be able to do with the pedal interface. Some people say too many knobs confuse them, but I love how I can do every single thing I need to with my Eventides, right from that interface.
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I agree completely! I don't hate software editors, in fact I really would like one. And indeed, I wouldn't want to be tinkering with a pedal during a live gig.
But at rehearsals on the other hand, I have often needed to fine-tune the sound to fit with the band: less harsh, cutting better, more/less low, volume, etc. Behind the PC, I cannot take a bandmix into account
 
#170
ok, here are some new infos from the dev...

midi-out is not very likely to happen. as i expected the good tracking of the deep impact is a combination of pitch-tracking and the way the synth works in the pedal. so a midi-out would pretty much not be better than a roland pitch-to-midi or similar. pitch-tracking alone is very different from pitch-to-midi. midi needs a note-on message which is basically a pitch and a defined note start followed by a note-off, again a pitch and a defined note stop. this is information that is not so easily captured from a string instrument. (when "exactly" does a note start/stop, what is a new note?) it's not just keys pressed down :-)

we also discussed about cases/housings for the new deep impact. he tends to use an expensive case (like the original deep impact, i.e. a custom case) i thought a hammond type of case would do it. (the one used by ehx, all the boutique builders etc.) what do you all think about that?

and what about the usb-port? midi-in covers the editing possibilities and usb-in will increase cost of the build. otoh it is more convenient for some people...he is thinking about leaving that out.
 
#172
lokki said:
ok, here are some new infos from the dev...

midi-out is not very likely to happen. as i expected the good tracking of the deep impact is a combination of pitch-tracking and the way the synth works in the pedal. so a midi-out would pretty much not be better than a roland pitch-to-midi or similar. pitch-tracking alone is very different from pitch-to-midi. midi needs a note-on message which is basically a pitch and a defined note start followed by a note-off, again a pitch and a defined note stop. this is information that is not so easily captured from a string instrument. (when "exactly" does a note start/stop, what is a new note?) it's not just keys pressed down :)

we also discussed about cases/housings for the new deep impact. he tends to use an expensive case (like the original deep impact, i.e. a custom case) i thought a hammond type of case would do it. (the one used by ehx, all the boutique builders etc.) what do you all think about that?

and what about the usb-port? midi-in covers the editing possibilities and usb-in will increase cost of the build. otoh it is more convenient for some people...he is thinking about leaving that out.
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What about MIDI Thru (as opposed to out), then?

Also: even if there is no MIDI out in the sense of generating notes, etc., won't you still need MIDI out to do MIDI editing? (So that you can read off of the pedal the current presets/values/etc.)

Personally, I could live with just a MIDI editor if it had both in and out ports (and could do Thru while playing), especially if it made the overall cost cheaper. However, I suspect I am in the minority.
 
#173
For the case no die cast Hammond please. Doesn't have to be as big as the original but would be cool to keep the style.

IMO effects pedal cases should be such that the footswitch(es) are on a different plane than the knobs - or at least a good distance from the knobs. Plus that type of case just looks cooler (think Foxrox, Chunk, ADA, Source Audio, Brimstone, some Fulltone, etc.)
 
#175
lokki said:
and what about the usb-port? midi-in covers the editing possibilities and usb-in will increase cost of the build. otoh it is more convenient for some people...he is thinking about leaving that out.
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I think for mass appeal USB>>MIDI.
I assume there are allot of Bassists that do not have a MIDI interface. Almost everyone has a computer with USB.

Offering a USB - MIDI converter as a seporate product may be smart marketing to keep cost down for those who don't need USB while offering an additional piece of kit for those who need it.
 
#176
yep, i'm interested too! (depending on the price)

a 1590BB hammond case would be perfect in my opinion... i' don't like too big housings.

if the editor will work with one of these cheap usb>midi interfaces (two plugs and a cable) as well, just midi is fine. i heard some cheaper interfaces often fail with sysex stuff...
 
#178
+1 for HAMMOND!

'Cause Hammond makes all kinds of cases, even custom ones:

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Diecast, steel, aluminum, wood, ABS, Polycarbonate ...

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