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Future Impact now available!! WAS: deep impact reissue!!! interested?

#181
Would be interested if it doesn't approach, or exceed modern day budget synth price range.

If the thing is gonna exceed $300 may as well just buy a used microkorg, minibrute, new microbrute, spend half the money on a used alesis micron, used novation bass station II. etc..

A bit of perspective here.
 
#182
Halabja said:
Would be interested if it doesn't approach, or exceed modern day budget synth price range.

If the thing is gonna exceed $300 may as well just buy a used microkorg, minibrute, new microbrute, spend half the money on a used alesis micron, used novation bass station II. etc..

A bit of perspective here.
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Then add $60 per hour for a few lessons and plus (add your personal time hourly rate here) the time devoted to practicing and learning a new instrument. Now your well over $500...if not more. Now lug in extra gear to gig. That's part of the appeal of a synth pedal, you don't need that extra stuff or money spent.

More perspective.

Disclaimer: I stopped pursuing synth on a bass and switched to synth on keys. However, I fully understand the desire for a synth bass guitar pedal.
 
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#183
ole Jason said:
USB connectors are about 15 cents max. It will do the job. There's really no need to add an actual MIDI plug if it is going to drive up the cost. You can easily send MIDI controls over USB for editing purposes. USB can send MIDI IN/OUT so you save machining costs as well.
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Well, it sounds like he is leaning toward doing some level of MIDI no matter what. I disagree that USB being able to do MIDI IN/OUT makes a MIDI port expendable. There aren't very many products on the market that do USB/MIDI conversion for a board. MIDI is a live performance tool in a way that USB isn't.
 
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ole Jason said:
USB connectors are about 15 cents max. It will do the job. There's really no need to add an actual MIDI plug if it is going to drive up the cost. You can easily send MIDI controls over USB for editing purposes. USB can send MIDI IN/OUT so you save machining costs as well.
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it's not just the usb port, it is an additional processor that handles all the usb communication. just serial midi is simpler.
 
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#185
lokki said:
ok, here are some new infos from the dev...

midi-out is not very likely to happen. as i expected the good tracking of the deep impact is a combination of pitch-tracking and the way the synth works in the pedal. so a midi-out would pretty much not be better than a roland pitch-to-midi or similar. pitch-tracking alone is very different from pitch-to-midi. midi needs a note-on message which is basically a pitch and a defined note start followed by a note-off, again a pitch and a defined note stop. this is information that is not so easily captured from a string instrument. (when "exactly" does a note start/stop, what is a new note?) it's not just keys pressed down :)

we also discussed about cases/housings for the new deep impact. he tends to use an expensive case (like the original deep impact, i.e. a custom case) i thought a hammond type of case would do it. (the one used by ehx, all the boutique builders etc.) what do you all think about that?

and what about the usb-port? midi-in covers the editing possibilities and usb-in will increase cost of the build. otoh it is more convenient for some people...he is thinking about leaving that out.
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For me it would be 100% ok, I feel midi in is enough. Personally the key point is that tracking should be at least as good as in the original and comparable to the MBSS. Thanks for the updates!!
 
#186
Adamixoye said:
Well, it sounds like he is leaning toward doing some level of MIDI no matter what. I disagree that USB being able to do MIDI IN/OUT makes a MIDI port expendable. There aren't very many products on the market that do USB/MIDI conversion for a board. MIDI is a live performance tool in a way that USB isn't.
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I understand how MIDI works. I understand it is something you really really want for live performance. Hopefully you get your wish man :)
 
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ole Jason said:
I understand how MIDI works. I understand it is something you really really want for live performance. Hopefully you get your wish man :)
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I wasn't trying to question your knowledge (implicitly or otherwise---I recall that you do MIDI stuff), just trying to make a certain point---I realize for some people it's an either/or if they're thinking only about an editor. But in the bigger picture USB vs. MIDI is an apples to oranges comparison, and the two are not really interchangeable.
 
#191
OhulahanBass said:
How does the original ADI stand up to MBSS in terms of tracking?

Will the new one feature ADSR envelope generators or envelope follower or both?
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according to the dev the ui of the effect will stay the same. but in the software editor you can change every parameter (around 80) of each sound. since it can be controlled via midi also you can also control everything live. i don't really know anymore if there was attack and release controls on the akai deep impact or if it was bass envelope only. it has been a long time since i played one :-) sorry
 
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JehuJava said:
Then add $60 per hour for a few lessons and plus (add your personal time hourly rate here) the time devoted to practicing and learning a new instrument. Now your well over $500...if not more. Now lug in extra gear to gig. That's part of the appeal of a synth pedal, you don't need that extra stuff or money spent.

More perspective.

Disclaimer: I stopped pursuing synth on a bass and switched to synth on keys. However, I fully understand the desire for a synth bass guitar pedal.
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Your perspective includes a multitude of assumptions.

In no way should an emulation product cost more than the product it is attempting to replicate.

Also not everyone needs to worry about "lugging extra gear" around because not everyone intends to perform gigs.. Let alone the fact that the modern day budget synths weigh next to nothing.

Furthermore, not everyone has intention of being the next virtuoso of every instrument they pick up. With minimal effort, and knowledge of how a given synthesizer functions can pick one up and create something useable. Especially if we are talking a monophonic synth. If we factored in the price of lessons for everything we pick up then plenty of us wouldn't even bother.

Many people here gave around $300 as a ceiling price point for the product. Infact it seemed as though it was the majority giving what they feel based on the original product that the latest version is valued at. If we wanna go beyond that cool, but it would be alienating your average potential buyer according to this thread.
 
#196
Okay to preface this by saying that I have had almost every commercially available bass synth pedal. I've had the Deep Impact 5 times! (Yeah I wish I would've kept at least one!). In my experience here is the order more or less of what I feel is from the "best" to the least "best":
1. Akai Deep Impact
2. Korg G5/SWR Mini Mo (Tie)
3. Markbass Super Synth
4. ElectroHarmonix Micro Bass Synth

That being said, it should no surprise that I think this is very good news! The fact that the original designer is involved is beyond remarkable! So for those who are looking for an $199 price tag (Very unrealistic IMO) lets take a few things into account. We are not talking about a big music corporation. We are talking about an independent small time operation at this point, who's probably looking at this project as a spring board to expand (Lets support it!). Second lets look at the original Deep Impact pedal for what it is. A work of ART! In fact, it is too this very day, still so "State of the Art" that there hasn't been a better product nor has anyone been able to duplicate/model it 14 years later! (Let that sink in!). From what I'm reading, they almost have to start from scratch to do this. This is going to take a great effort in R&D to pull this off and to present a final product to market. Really people, we shouldn't stifle a company who has the potential to not only bring back a better version of the DI, but may also come up with even more unique products in the future that would benefit us all! Put yourself in their position. Where is the insensitive to not only bring back this pedal but for future innovation if we are only willing to pay $199? Would it be worth it to you?
 
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ok some clarification from a mail i got just now.

the new deep impact, just as the old one will have adsr and envelope follower.

there will probably be midi in and out. midi in with the possibility to play the pedal from a keyboard or any midi equipped device but also with the ability to change all settings (how cool is that!!!!!)

midi out to reflect changes you make on the pedal but no pitch-to-midi conversion.
 
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Halabja said:
Your perspective includes a multitude of assumptions.

In no way should an emulation product cost more than the product it is attempting to replicate.

Also not everyone needs to worry about "lugging extra gear" around because not everyone intends to perform gigs.. Let alone the fact that the modern day budget synths weigh next to nothing.

Furthermore, not everyone has intention of being the next virtuoso of every instrument they pick up. With minimal effort, and knowledge of how a given synthesizer functions can pick one up and create something useable. Especially if we are talking a monophonic synth. If we factored in the price of lessons for everything we pick up then plenty of us wouldn't even bother.

Many people here gave around $300 as a ceiling price point for the product. Infact it seemed as though it was the majority giving what they feel based on the original product that the latest version is valued at. If we wanna go beyond that cool, but it would be alienating your average potential buyer according to this thread.
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I don't disagree with anything you're saying, though for the bass player that has no idea how to play even single note patterns on a keyboard, a significant investment of time is needed to be proficient enough...beyond playing one note drones. Too some, a synth pedal is just easier to get synth tones and play an interesting line.

Some, like Kevtop, just want the synth pedal sound rather than a keyboard. However, what BadMutha points out is 100% spot on. Small developer from scratch to reproduce the worlds best synth pedal? For under 200-300 smackers? You're crazy.

Would I pay that much? Probably not. But I've never found a synth pedal that really meets my needs. The G5 was close, but nothing like the Moog Minitaur. I've wasted too much time and money trying to get a good synth sound in bass that I liked. So I probably will not be buying this. Though it sounds awfully intriguing and I'm excited for the synth pedal market to get another option. Besides, it sounds like it's going to be way more flexible and usable than the OG pedal. So as long as it's less money than the vintage, I'm sure many will be happy.
 
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lokki said:
ok some clarification from a mail i got just now.

the new deep impact, just as the old one will have adsr and envelope follower.

there will probably be midi in and out. midi in with the possibility to play the pedal from a keyboard or any midi equipped device but also with the ability to change all settings (how cool is that!!!!!)

midi out to reflect changes you make on the pedal but no pitch-to-midi conversion.
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Sounds awesome. I hope it's capable of MIDI Thru as well (for chaining/patch changes).
 

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