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Future Impact now available!! WAS: deep impact reissue!!! interested?

#141
You know... it would just be cool if someone would do these types of things such as bringin some goodness back to the world for the masses and make it useable, affordable and as good as the original. I could afford to buy an original if the gas took over, but even fools like me have limits. I have read every post on here and it seems to me that no matter what got finally dropped into our laps we will all complain and compliment to some degree the final product. Personally... I truly hope this amount of interest makes whatever happen and we all get to enjoy the out come.
 
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Adamixoye said:
I understand that perspective, but if it doesn't at least have MIDI that would be a big disappointment. MIDI is super powerful and the universal language of musical effects. Without MIDI I would still be intrigued, but my max price would drop, and I would be more inclined to wait on Source Audio.
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How is MIDI the "universal language of musical effects"?

I've got one pedal on my Breeder-sized board that does MIDI, the M5... Most pedals I know of don't handle MIDI, it's only a select few that support it.

And frankly I think you'll be waiting a long time for SA's vapour-synth to steam its way out of the TB thread about it. I hope I'm wrong, I'd love to see a SA synth happen, maybe it is happening and it's just I haven't been back to that thread in a long while (too busy catching up on the breeder thread).

Don't get me wrong – I'd like to see MIDI implemented in an ADI re-issue by Panda, but as prolific as MIDI has become, it's still not the big-interface-on-pedal-campus just yet. Anyway, I have more hope of Panda producing something than SA at the moment.

Sorry, I meant to only lurk here...
 
#143
Feral Feline said:
Argh. Right you are willbassyeah. I'm an idiot. Unless... essentially two devices stuffed into one box.

I was just thinking for mass marketing it would be good for say, keyboards with stereo outs or pedals that already split the signal into stereo such as some delays, reverbs, choruses, etc., ... I forgot the thing'll need a strong clean signal. As most here have surmised about me...




I'll resume lurking and hopefully learn something.
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Haha not trying to be mean honestly just wondering how it will benefit electric bass but I guess what you say do make sense now
 
#146
Feral Feline said:
How is MIDI the "universal language of musical effects"?

I've got one pedal on my Breeder-sized board that does MIDI, the M5... Most pedals I know of don't handle MIDI, it's only a select few that support it.

And frankly I think you'll be waiting a long time for SA's vapour-synth to steam its way out of the TB thread about it. I hope I'm wrong, I'd love to see a SA synth happen, maybe it is happening and it's just I haven't been back to that thread in a long while (too busy catching up on the breeder thread).

Don't get me wrong – I'd like to see MIDI implemented in an ADI re-issue by Panda, but as prolific as MIDI has become, it's still not the big-interface-on-pedal-campus just yet. Anyway, I have more hope of Panda producing something than SA at the moment.

Sorry, I meant to only lurk here...
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Well, maybe it was a weird thing to say, but I almost said it more strongly...I almost said "of music," but I specifically meant for controlling instruments. And I don't think that's too far off. Certainly, not everything has MIDI, nor do you need it. But compared to some of the other things discussed---USB connections, Bluetooth, TS/TRS footswitches---MIDI is definitely tops for any sort of complex control. Most audio interfaces worth their salt know some MIDI. I wound up with two MIDI pedals just because I wanted those pedals (Pitchfactor and M5); now I have six (Pitchfactor, Modfactor, M5, Beat Buddy, Infinity, and technically the Manta, though I can't use MIDI without a Hub).

As for Source Audio, I don't consider what they haven't done to be "vaporware" just yet. That implies they've tried to bring the product to bear and haven't been successful. It's something the people want, they've admitted to doing a little bit of R&D, but also said it's not their priority yet. I believe that when they WANT to make it happen, it will happen. It's just not clear when that will be. (Some recent comments have indicated it might be closer to being back on the table again, but that's reading a lot between the lines.)

And like I said, I wouldn't automatically wait for a product that might not happen in the SA synth, but it would become a greater consideration if the Panda Audio product were MIDI-less.
 
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#147
I just got me a BMS again, but I would certainly buy a Deep Impact reissue!

The main purpose for me would be to mimic the synth-sounds of cover popsongs from 80-ies to now live. But if would be great if it can cop the more 70-ies BMS-tones too, so the BMS can be retired (great pedal, but non-programmable and saving space is always a concern).

I second the idea that it should be easily adjustable on the fly (don't forget output volume!), with a user friendly interface. Deeper editing through PC is great, but doesn't work too well when trying to find your place in a live band sound...
 
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#148
I never understood why some hate on soft editors, I'm not saying you are wrong I just don't see the issue.

I have never giged a preset synth or pedal and wanted to bend over to edit the sound. For me, when in action I just want to depend on presets. In practice I would prefer a bigger list of parameters via OS or iOS than menu diving on a less than 10 character screen.

From the Panda Audio guys message it looks like there will be MIDI in atleast. If there can be MIDI out with note pitch data I think that vastly increases the applications of this pedal.
 
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I think the characterization of our position on this is right. It is a complicated project. We have done some work on it, but there is no further work being done on it right now.

Off the top of my head I would suggest that one would need to either price this at $450 and sell 5000 units or price it at $250 and sell 20,000 units. The cost to develop this kind of product is very significant.
 
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OhulahanBass said:
I never understood why some hate on soft editors, I'm not saying you are wrong I just don't see the issue.

I have never giged a preset synth or pedal and wanted to bend over to edit the sound. For me, when in action I just want to depend on presets. In practice I would prefer a bigger list of parameters via OS or iOS than menu diving on a less than 10 character screen.

From the Panda Audio guys message it looks like there will be MIDI in atleast. If there can be MIDI out with note pitch data I think that vastly increases the applications of this pedal.
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I can't speak for marijn, but for me it was the experience on the MBSS that made me agree with him. A software editor is great; I want to have one. But it should never take the place of what you should be able to do with the pedal interface. Some people say too many knobs confuse them, but I love how I can do every single thing I need to with my Eventides, right from that interface.

ole Jason said:
You can send MIDI in/out over USB...

MIDI out would be sending cc data. It wouldn't be sending pitch data unless there was some analog to digital pitch conversion happening in the pedal. I'm not sure why you'd want that on a synth pedal.

Just keep it simple.
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Me personally I would prefer at least the ability to do MIDI Thru, so that I can send PC/CC to the synth unit on one channel and also pass along controls on different channels to other units. That's why I would want a MIDI Thru/Out port.
 
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Adamixoye said:
I can't speak for marijn, but for me it was the experience on the MBSS that made me agree with him. A software editor is great; I want to have one. But it should never take the place of what you should be able to do with the pedal interface. Some people say too many knobs confuse them, but I love how I can do every single thing I need to with my Eventides, right from that interface.
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I agree that it is great to have parameter access via pedal and software. With my experience with the MBSS I wouldn't use pedal edit options in lieu of the software. It sounds like the interface on the Impact is set already and I'll be happy for a soft editor if the pedal makes it to my doorstep. The traditional interface is not for my patience though well suited for presets and banks.
 
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ole Jason said:
It wouldn't be sending pitch data unless there was some analog to digital pitch conversion happening in the pedal. I'm not sure why you'd want that on a synth pedal.
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I never had a Impact. I assumed, since it is a digital bass synth pedal it would have analog to digital pitch tracking. So if you already got it why not include a MIDI out to connect to your Moogs, Rolands, Soft Synths, Soft Effects....
 
#155
rsmith601 said:
I think the characterization of our position on this is right. It is a complicated project. We have done some work on it, but there is no further work being done on it right now.

Off the top of my head I would suggest that one would need to either price this at $450 and sell 5000 units or price it at $250 and sell 20,000 units. The cost to develop this kind of product is very significant.
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50k significant. ;) lol

Agreed with your pricing parameters. I'd pay 450 for it. Hell the used ones I've seen go for 1200. People are so damn cheap it's astonishing. You cannot have have the best of both worlds folks! Sometimes things cost more and are better, that's just how life is.
 
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jwr said:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ampl...in-midi-cable-to-guitar-patch-connector-pedal


Sorry the site crashed on me.

Isn't there something like this you could plug other non Empress effects into?
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It does work with Chase Bliss products. There's a couple similar products like Invalid Link Removed (smaller, passive, but no midi through) that might also be compatible.
Something like this that allows presets changes would suffice to have me interrested in a DI reissue, though I'd prefer full-on midi (the right CC controlled by an expression pedal can get really interresting)
 
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jwr said:
50k significant. ;) lol

Agreed with your pricing parameters. I'd pay 450 for it. Hell the used ones I've seen go for 1200. People are so damn cheap it's astonishing. You cannot have have the best of both worlds folks! Sometimes things cost more and are better, that's just how life is.
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Even here, on a 100% music forum, there tends to be this type of argument hiding in a lot of our brains:

"It's just makes SOUND. It doesn't fly, drive, explode, move, clean, or do work. Why should I pay more than X for it?"

Until you realize, for example, the SA Synth will have some of the toughest audio engineering on Earth if it comes into light.

I'm just happy. :)
 
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jwr said:
50k significant. ;) lol

Agreed with your pricing parameters. I'd pay 450 for it. Hell the used ones I've seen go for 1200. People are so damn cheap it's astonishing. You cannot have have the best of both worlds folks! Sometimes things cost more and are better, that's just how life is.
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I don't think people are being cheap. Given that the MarkBass SuperSynth goes for like 279 new and has a pretty good computer editing interface. People saying they would not pay more than 200-250 are referring to a "reissue" of the original. If you are going to price this at 450$, some people will expect 450$ of value. That might mean different things to different people. For some, that includes MIDI, usb, cross platform software, updated sound palette, etc. At 450, a recreation of the original with no perceived added value could be a tough sell for some.

A lot of people who answer 200-250 max in this thread have probably spent more than that on a pedal before, they are just not willing to spend more than that on this one, does not make them cheap.
 
#159
Agreed with above. It's not that I won't pay 400, I just shouldn't have to unless we are getting let's say, H9 level functionality, though that may not be the best example. For that price in today's market we should at least be getting USB or BT and a solid app, easy interface, multiple footswitches for patch or bank up and down, and a strong variety of sounds available. That isn't asking too much from a company the size or Eventide, Markbass, or SA. A one off reissue though is a different story. So we are left with the prospect that this will cost as much as a decent bass, and that puts me out of the purchasing demographic. I'm not being cheap, I'm being realistic. Same reason I wouldn't buy a Cali76 or a big Strymon. For that money I just have too much else I'd rather have when cheaper pedals are giving me the same functionality live.
 
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jwr said:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ampl...in-midi-cable-to-guitar-patch-connector-pedal

Sorry the site crashed on me.

Isn't there something like this you could plug other non Empress effects into?
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I think the Empress product there has a highly specific function. Someone else above pointed out that it works with at least one other brand, and that there are a few other similar products out there. But to the best of my knowledge it's not remotely the same as having full MIDI, you only get a few things out of it.
 

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