Future Impact now available!! WAS: deep impact reissue!!! interested?

[BurningSkies]

Ok so here comes the walk of shame. Twenty years ago I would have NEVER admitted this and would have made up some lame excuse, but I’m happy to say I’ve grown to adulthood after being a child for several decades. I’m a man to admit when I made such a novice mistake.

I appreciate all of the help I received to rectify my problem, and it turns out that I’m the problem... just a dyslexic dumbass and made the most noob mistake anyone can make. I’m looking at the FI which I had taken off my pedal board to work with it and then it hit me. What an arse I am!!

The entire time I had the midi cables plugged in the wrong orientation. Yes swapped. I’ve done this a kazillion times the right way and for some reason my brain decided to compute that the midi output is next to the analog input. Don’t ask me why especially since I’ve done this successfully a million times. I must be getting old and senile. I mean not only did I do it last night that way, I did it tonight too. Unbelievable. Perhaps I will put some labels on my housing so I don’t make that mistake again.

what a dumbass I am so so sorry for wasting everyone’s time trying to help me. I feel like a douche. Egg on my face.

ok let me have it lol.

oh btw it worked on the first first try with the browser as soon as I hooked it up the right way lol. Can anyone say Captain Obvious??

Finally I’m going to get to try out these new patches. Oye.

You know, I'm actually not surprised. I have an Um-One and the markings on the pedal are somewhat counter intuitive...I've done that dance of plugging it in the way I believe it works then having to flip. And for some reason it makes more sense on some pedals rather than others. I wish they'd just put arrows on the damn connectors.

 

[Quatschmacher]

You know, I'm actually not surprised. I have an Um-One and the markings on the pedal are somewhat counter intuitive...I've done that dance of plugging it in the way I believe it works then having to flip. And for some reason it makes more sense on some pedals rather than others. I wish they'd just put arrows on the damn connectors.

The UM one does have arrows on the connectors. Or did you mean the pedal?

 

[BurningSkies]

The UM one does have arrows on the connectors. Or did you mean the pedal?

Mine I think has short descriptors saying what to do, but they don't seem to always match what it really wants to do...

 

[EastCoastThump]

I've done that so many times the wrong way I finally resorted to labeling all my gear with MIDI interfaces with gaff tape on the top and big letters saying IN and OUT over the appropriate spot!

same

 

[maisbass]

That did make me laugh. Glad you’ve got it sorted out now and that it was nothing serious. And thanks for owning up, hopefully others who were apprehensive about updating won’t be now. Enjoy the new stuff!

Just don’t get a job in bomb disposal!

LMAO! Yeah bomb disposal is not in my future.

The pedal sounds and tracks great, although I was happy with the tracking before. Some of my patches that used to glitch occasionally with some artifacts for the most part seemed to have disappeared. That’s a big plus.

I would say that for me I like about a third of the default presets in V3. Some were obviously repeats from the old version that I am not including in my findings above. The remaining presets I wouldn’t find usable in a live setting for the gigs I play, but I do understand why they were included (showcase everything the FI can do).

I have not tried the expression pedal yet. Ran out of time. Hoping to do so soon.

I think my favorite feature is being able to create a split on one patch. This is similar to a mode I have on my FretTraX bass. Very very cool. I think I will be using that feature the most. I also love the ability to create chordal pads. Nice. I can’t wait to get programming.

Thanks for the hard work Pandamidi, @Andras Szalay , @Quatschmacher for bringing this pedal to the next level.

 

[gastric]

Simple USB port would solve so many of these editor and update problems.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Simple USB port would solve so many of these editor and update problems.

Not for those who already own the pedal, which is where all the problems have been (as the new pedals have the v3 firmware already loaded).

 

[matt thompson]

I think my favorite feature is being able to create a split on one patch. This is similar to a mode I have on my FretTraX bass. Very very cool. I think I will be using that feature the most. I also love the ability to create chordal pads. Nice. I can’t wait to get programming.

Thanks for the hard work Pandamidi, @Andras Szalay , @Quatschmacher for bringing this pedal to the next level.

When you say split a patch is that like one patch on half the bass’ range and another on the other half? Split on a frequency maybe? Kinda the way some keyboards can do or am I way off?

 

[Quatschmacher]

When you say split a patch is that like one patch on half the bass’ range and another on the other half? Split on a frequency maybe? Kinda the way some keyboards can do or am I way off?

You can have parameters be changed by what pitch you are playing. For instance you can have the synth volume and dry volume be affected by pitch such that you have only dry bass in the lower registers and synth in the high register or vice versa. Or you can have the sound change drastically depending on what register you are in. It’s really flexible.

 

[maisbass]

Question for ya @Quatschmacher

Is it possible to use any synth patch I created and use it in split form? Another words modify an existing synth patch and have it come into play at the pitch I want my standard bass sound to disappear and have the synth patch start?

edit: I just re-read your response above and it seems that it is possible. Psyched!

There are many synth patches I created that I play above the 12th fret. It would be awesome to modify these patches to have my natural bass sound in the lower register. I’m assuming you can probably do this on the fly too with an expression pedal.

#mindexplosion

 

[Quatschmacher]

Question for ya @Quatschmacher

Is it possible to use any synth patch I created and use it in split form? Another words modify an existing synth patch and have it come into play at the pitch I want my standard bass sound to disappear and have the synth patch start?

edit: I just re-read your response above and it seems that it is possible. Psyched!

There are many synth patches I created that I play above the 12th fret. It would be awesome to modify these patches to have my natural bass sound in the lower register. I’m assuming you can probably do this on the fly too with an expression pedal.

#mindexplosion

It’s more accurate with an expression pedal, or better with something like the Morningstar MC6 which can be programmed to send a message with an exact value upon a button press.

To do the split you are talking about, you need to use one of the hard transition curves and experiment to find the one which splits at the right point for you. There is a small bit of crossover between the two regions. I was wondering if a future update might make it possible to include a few absolute on/off curves or a fully user-definable one.

 

[Quatschmacher]

It’s more accurate with an expression pedal, or better with something like the Morningstar MC6 which can be programmed to send a message with an exact value upon a button press.

To do the split you are talking about, you need to use one of the hard transition curves and experiment to find the one which splits at the right point for you. There is a small bit of crossover between the two regions. I was wondering if a future update might make it possible to include a few absolute on/off curves or a fully user-definable one.

As a follow-up - using pitch as a source with a hard transition curve wont split at the 12th fret per se, rather it splits at a particular frequency. So you could get it to split at the 12th fret on a particular string but not all four strings together. Does that make sense?

 

[maisbass]

As a follow-up - using pitch as a source with a hard transition curve wont split at the 12th fret per se, rather it splits at a particular frequency. So you could get it to split at the 12th fret on a particular string but not all four strings together. Does that make sense?

Makes total sense. I noticed that when auditioning some of the splits.

So once I pick a pitch spot where I want it to transition I’m assuming I could use that same pitch transition for every patch. Is my assumption correct?

Then I can do as you suggested and program a command on my Morningstar to activate the split no matter what patch I’m using.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Makes total sense. I noticed that when auditioning some of the splits.

So once I pick a pitch spot where I want it to transition I’m assuming I could use that same pitch transition for every patch. Is my assumption correct?

Then I can do as you suggested and program a command on my Morningstar to activate the split no matter what patch I’m using.

That’s right. The same as the II-V-I patches I programmed could be used as a template for others to use whatever synth sound they wanted.

The only artefact of the split is that the first note you play across the transition will have a remnant of the previous note. By this, I mean that if you play say an octave leap, the transient of the first note after the leap will play at the pitch of the note before the leap until the correct pitch is detected. This is due to the way the tracking algorithm works - it prioritises note output over pitch (which is how the latency is kept to a minimum). I have thought about asking whether a second, pitch-prioritising triggering mode could be added so that this artefact is eliminated for split patches. It’s quite evident if you play the factory bass-snare split patch.

With the MC6, you could set a button to toggle between bass-only and synth-only as desired. Or use it to switch between two distinct synth sounds within a single patch. The possibilities are amazing.

 

[maisbass]

That’s right. The same as the II-V-I patches I programmed could be used as a template for others to use whatever synth sound they wanted.

The only artefact of the split is that the first note you play across the transition will have a remnant of the previous note. By this, I mean that if you play say an octave leap, the transient of the first note after the leap will play at the pitch of the note before the leap until the correct pitch is detected. This is due to the way the tracking algorithm works - it prioritises note output over pitch (which is how the latency is kept to a minimum). I have thought about asking whether a second, pitch-prioritising triggering mode could be added so that this artefact is eliminated for split patches. It’s quite evident if you play the factory bass-snare split patch.

With the MC6, you could set a button to toggle between bass-only and synth-only as desired. Or use it to switch between two distinct synth sounds within a single patch. The possibilities are amazing.

To put it simple...

WOW! #gamechanger

@Andras Szalay bless you! This is going to be amazing

 

[dieselbass42]

Yeah, the capabilities are way beyond my limited imagination! That said, I just uploaded a patch to the community share (I think I did it right ). Probably the simplest of flexi capabilities, but I made a patch and set them up to have just bass in the lower register and synth higher up with some harmony to play Don't tell me you Love Me, Night Ranger song my band is learning. I can play bass with no synth for most of the song and hit those synth chords in the verses up around the 12th fret with one patch. So cool!!

 

[Quatschmacher]

@maisbass I’m thinking that I might be able to use the MC6 to alter my II-V-I patches such that I could even have major and minor variations combined in one patch and maybe even use a button to flatten or sharpen the ninths and fifths on the dominant chords at will. Basically assigning the pitch of each oscillator to a separate CC within a given range and then assigning multiple CC messages with appropriate values to one button for the different pitch combinations required. I’ll have a play when I’m back home next week and see what I can cook up.

 

[BurningSkies]

Just got updated.

We have a weekend or two off, and not much concern about needing to turn-around and trouble shoot right off. I ended up using the Chrome updater since that's worked in the past, and since I really have only a single FI Patch in regular set use, it made more sense just to do the full update then add back my one patch so it PC triggers by my controllers.

Apple MBP (Mojave), Roland Um-One and not a problem at all. Updated firmware, bulk updated new patches. Then I ditched my old editor ran a cleanup, and installed the new one. Ran the conversion of all my old files and wrote that one patch I needed to #32. Seems like it all went well, though I haven't had a chance to test anything.

This week I lent my home practice amp (old 112 cab plus a LMII) to the son of a friend who's a freshman here at the University and came from California with only a bass. Of course even though he knew I needed it back by Friday night, no sign of the amp, or a text, email or call. So the only live amp I have at home is a vintage Fender Vibro Champ and I'm not really excited about dropping a bunch of bass synth into it.

 

[maisbass]

@maisbass I’m thinking that I might be able to use the MC6 to alter my II-V-I patches such that I could even have major and minor variations combined in one patch and maybe even use a button to flatten or sharpen the ninths and fifths on the dominant chords at will. Basically assigning the pitch of each oscillator to a separate CC within a given range and then assigning multiple CC messages with appropriate values to one button for the different pitch combinations required. I’ll have a play when I’m back home next week and see what I can cook up.

That would be... AMAZING! I hope you can do it. Thanks!

 

[Lippi]

Makes total sense. I noticed that when auditioning some of the splits.

So once I pick a pitch spot where I want it to transition I’m assuming I could use that same pitch transition for every patch. Is my assumption correct?

Then I can do as you suggested and program a command on my Morningstar to activate the split no matter what patch I’m using.

First thing, you have to have two free Flexis, so with patches using more than two Flexis you have to modify them.
The other thing is that finding exact split points is limited with just the 6 hard transition curves. They are in 4th or 5th steps when used with Pitch as source if I recall it right. And the transition is 2 or 3 semitones.
As for activating the two Flexis used for the split I’m not sure if it’s could be done. You cannot switch on-off a flexi with MIDI CC. Maybe with the range controls you can send them out of useful range but it seems a bit complicated.