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Future Impact now available!! WAS: deep impact reissue!!! interested?

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Damn that shipping was quick. It took just a couple days for it to get to my house. Of course I'm away for work when it arrived but I was amazed at how quick that was. It literally takes three weeks for me to get something from one place to the next in the US right now..and here I am receiving something from Hungary in two-ish days.
 
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drewphishes said:
I realize its just an octaver
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I used to play this tune. I never used the FI for it but I have used a few different pedals and this was my findings. I used the Eventide H9 octaver which was great, but just a little bit too clean. I loved using the MXR octaver (Bass Octave Deluxe) for this tune. It's a solid octaver, but it provided the necessary grit too to achieve that Tony Levin growl. I also added a very slight phase to it and used a pick. Obviously the pick provided the attack like Levin gets with his Funk fingers, and I added the slight phase just to provide some extra sparkle and snap on the attack. It really sounded killer live.
I know this doesn't really answer your question, but figure I share my experience. I don't think you will achieve the necessary octave/grit with the FI, but perhaps it would be passable. I guess it depends how close to the Levin tone you want to achieve.
 
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Is there any way to have my midi cables and my interface cables for editing connected to the FI at the same time? Maybe a midi merger of some kind? I've been playing with things a bit more recently and it's kind of a pain to unhook the FI from my midi chain to edit patches, then re-connect to test with my expression pedal (SA Reflex), then unhook again to tweak, rinse...repeat...If I put the FI last in my midi chain, I could keep the interface out cable connected (I'm using the Roland UM-1 mkII). Would a 2 in - 1 out midi merger work to connect both the interface in cable and the cable from my pedal board chain at the same time to the in of the FI? Any other ideas or suggestions? I know there are some pretty elaborate midi setups out there. How are you guys editing and testing at the same time?

Thanks in advance.
 
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dieselbass42 said:
Is there any way to have my midi cables and my interface cables for editing connected to the FI at the same time? Maybe a midi merger of some kind? I've been playing with things a bit more recently and it's kind of a pain to unhook the FI from my midi chain to edit patches, then re-connect to test with my expression pedal (SA Reflex), then unhook again to tweak, rinse...repeat...If I put the FI last in my midi chain, I could keep the interface out cable connected (I'm using the Roland UM-1 mkII). Would a 2 in - 1 out midi merger work to connect both the interface in cable and the cable from my pedal board chain at the same time to the in of the FI? Any other ideas or suggestions? I know there are some pretty elaborate midi setups out there. How are you guys editing and testing at the same time?

Thanks in advance.
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I have been doing this lately via the Morningstar MC6 USB connection. I had the FI after the SA Neuro hub and was getting glitches due to the amount of MIDI data being sent to the FI. @Quatschmacher advised me to put the FI first in line after the MC6 and it has been working flawlessly since.

You can use the Um-one in the way you suggest but have to be sure you don’t create a MIDI loop. I’m not an expert on merging and MIDI through so can’t help much there.
 
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dieselbass42 said:
Is there any way to have my midi cables and my interface cables for editing connected to the FI at the same time? Maybe a midi merger of some kind? I've been playing with things a bit more recently and it's kind of a pain to unhook the FI from my midi chain to edit patches, then re-connect to test with my expression pedal (SA Reflex), then unhook again to tweak, rinse...repeat...If I put the FI last in my midi chain, I could keep the interface out cable connected (I'm using the Roland UM-1 mkII). Would a 2 in - 1 out midi merger work to connect both the interface in cable and the cable from my pedal board chain at the same time to the in of the FI? Any other ideas or suggestions? I know there are some pretty elaborate midi setups out there. How are you guys editing and testing at the same time?

Thanks in advance.
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Yes you can. I have had mine set up in this way for the last year or so.

Here’s what I wrote to @Charlie Tuna on the subject, though you’ll need to amend according to what controller you are using.


There are a couple of ways to run the MC6 with the editor. The way that is most reliable for me is choosing the MC6 as the “output device” from the editor (plugging MC6 into computer over USB) then running 5-pin MIDI OUT from MC6 into the FI. (I’ve had problems when connecting the MC6 via 5-pin to my soundcard’s MIDI IN where the FI would lock up and I’m not sure if it’s a soundcard problem or an MC6 problem; I suspect the former.)

Another way is to run the UM-One as the “output device” from the editor and hook it into the FI. Then connect the UM-One’s other MIDI cable to the MIDI OUT port of the MC6 and choose UM-One as the “keyboard input device” in the editor”.

One further way is to connect the UM-One to the computer via USB and into the MC6 5-pin MIDI IN port, selecting UM-One as the “output device” in the editor. Then hook up a standard MIDI cable from the MC6 MIDI OUT port to the FI MIDI IN port, making sure that MIDI THRU is switched in on the MC6.
 
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Quatschmacher said:
I’ve had problems when connecting the MC6 via 5-pin to my soundcard’s MIDI IN where the FI would lock up
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Actually, I think this was when I was going from my interface’s MIDI OUT (Focusrite Scarlett 2i4) to the MC6 MIDI IN as I think my interface doesn’t deal with the data volume well.

I’ve changed some stuff around and am currently running from my interface’s MIDI OUT straight into the FI and am sending signals from my controller into my interface using the Editor’s “keyboard input” and this has mostly been working ok.
 
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Quatschmacher said:
Yes you can. I have had mine set up in this way for the last year or so.

Here’s what I wrote to @Charlie Tuna on the subject, though you’ll need to amend according to what controller you are using.


There are a couple of ways to run the MC6 with the editor. The way that is most reliable for me is choosing the MC6 as the “output device” from the editor (plugging MC6 into computer over USB) then running 5-pin MIDI OUT from MC6 into the FI. (I’ve had problems when connecting the MC6 via 5-pin to my soundcard’s MIDI IN where the FI would lock up and I’m not sure if it’s a soundcard problem or an MC6 problem; I suspect the former.)

Another way is to run the UM-One as the “output device” from the editor and hook it into the FI. Then connect the UM-One’s other MIDI cable to the MIDI OUT port of the MC6 and choose UM-One as the “keyboard input device” in the editor”.

One further way is to connect the UM-One to the computer via USB and into the MC6 5-pin MIDI IN port, selecting UM-One as the “output device” in the editor. Then hook up a standard MIDI cable from the MC6 MIDI OUT port to the FI MIDI IN port, making sure that MIDI THRU is switched in on the MC6.
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Thanks for the ideas @Quatschmacher and @Charlie Tuna. Not sure that will work with my controller but I will try a couple of those methods over the weekend when I get another chance to play. My controller is a One Control OC-10. It's more of a loop switcher with basic midi functionality. It's no where near the functionality of the Morningstar controllers. The OC-10 has a midi in and midi out, but it's very limited. It also has a cat-5 connection to it's Croc-Eye midi box which creates the PCs and CCs and sends them out on it's own midi connection. That's what I'm using. My chain goes Croc-Eye>Reflex>SA Hub>FI>H9_1>H9_2. It sounds like I'll have to move the FI around in the order. Or maybe take it out of the rest of the chain and use it alone with the OC-10's midi out, that may work better with the editing. I'll try some things and see what works.

Thanks again for the input.
 
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maisbass said:
I know @Quatschmacher knows about this already... I'm sure he tested the beta... This is the bomb. A game changer. I can't wait until I actually have time again to play and start creating patches again...

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Indeed, I usually run the latest beta version as Morningstar post them. The 3.8 firmware was released a few weeks back and has added some powerful new features. I’ve not had too much time to play around with the waveform generators much as I’ve been really busy with some other equally exciting projects; more about those at the appropriate time and place...
 
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I just broke down and got the Morningstar MC8...and an ML5. Now that my ES-8 is having volume drops, I had to switch out. Here's the layout I'm thinking for now, but I should probably search back through this thread for the patches that have some Morningstar magic?

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cosmicevan said:
I just broke down and got the Morningstar MC8...and an ML5. Now that my ES-8 is having volume drops, I had to switch out. Here's the layout I'm thinking for now, but I should probably search back through this thread for the patches that have some Morningstar magic?

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If you didn't do so, contact Boss.They will replace it for free if it's under warranty.
 
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maisbass said:
If you didn't do so, contact Boss.They will replace it for free if it's under warranty.
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Warranty is only 90 days on that. Roland is $80/hr but you have to ship it to them to look at and get a quote and if you decide not to do it, there is a $25 bench fee and you are out shipping 2 ways. I found a local certified tech, slightly more expensive at $90/hr with an estimate of 2 to 3 hrs for this problem which could be due to a number of root causes.

It is usable w a boost after it and some careful gain stage tuning within your chain, but I have a lot of high quality effects that it’s kinda like cheaping out on the power supply under a board with thousands of dollars on top. I will probably sell the ES-8 for really cheap and full disclosure and just move on. I really dug the ES-8 but thins new setup seems to have a lot going for it and I think ultimately I will be able to set my rig up more how I want it.
 
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cosmicevan said:
Warranty is only 90 days on that. Roland is $80/hr but you have to ship it to them to look at and get a quote and if you decide not to do it, there is a $25 bench fee and you are out shipping 2 ways. I found a local certified tech, slightly more expensive at $90/hr with an estimate of 2 to 3 hrs for this problem which could be due to a number of root causes.

It is usable w a boost after it and some careful gain stage tuning within your chain, but I have a lot of high quality effects that it’s kinda like cheaping out on the power supply under a board with thousands of dollars on top. I will probably sell the ES-8 for really cheap and full disclosure and just move on. I really dug the ES-8 but thins new setup seems to have a lot going for it and I think ultimately I will be able to set my rig up more how I want it.
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I've been tempted to get an ML5 to pair with my MC6, I just wish there were a similar option that could swap the loop order per preset like the Boss does!
 
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sunbeast said:
I've been tempted to get an ML5 to pair with my MC6, I just wish there were a similar option that could swap the loop order per preset like the Boss does!
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For every tradeoff there are advantages. On the ES-8 you can't have a footswitch do an action...everything has to be baked into a preset. I think this setup will be a lot more versatile...if I want to just add in a little of this or that, I don't have to have a preset that has everything in it already.
 
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