Future Impact now available!! WAS: deep impact reissue!!! interested?

[Kubicki Fan]

Tough call, depends on what you need it to do.

From a price consideration, MS is obviously cheaper.

MS can be used as a USB interface whereas Mortrix currently can’t (it’d require a yet-to-be-produced add-on module. (Innate USB MIDI capability was something I asked for in development but the hardware was kind of already specified too much to add it.)

Mortrix currently doesn’t have dynamic labelling; i.e. a tile doesn’t display a different message depending on what message is being sent. Again, this something I pushed for right from the outset but it hasn’t yet been implemented. There is at least now the capability of having a different text displayed depending on whether the preset is engaged or disengaged. There is also now a live edit control overlay for seeing PC numbers on Mortrix, but it’s not the same as the MS’s ability to have individual scroll counter readouts on any tile.

Mortrix has simpler button interaction than MS: Mortrix just has press and long press (latching or momentary), whereas MS can assign things to double-taps, long-double-taps. MS’s extra complexity means you can potentially do more on one button but it comes at the expense of potentially forgetting what button actions are in use and what they do. Mortrix is more straightforward in that button actions kind of always do the same thing.

MS handles expression messages on a per-bank basis. Mortrix handles them per preset, but they can also be re-used with a bank (scene) in numerous ways so this is much more powerful.

Mortrix is very intuitive to program, with lots of the tedium removed, and no need to connect to a computer to program it. It also has some amazing features that are not possible on MS, especially in the realm of expression, envelope, LFO and sequencer uses.

I am greatful for your expert input!!

 

[klattman]

I agree that that shouldn’t cause a problem so it sounds like something in the code needs attending to to prevent this error happening. Does sound like either it’s not linking to the cache folder (which is what is used for uploads, I believe) or there’s a duplicate within the cache folder. What I think is happening is that saving causes the saved folder to be the last-seen location and so where the editor looks for uploads when in fact uploads actually take place from the cache folder and this gets populated via the load function.

Try it with the real-world method I suggested above and see if there’s still a problem.

I think you are right. When I save to a folder then go and re-point to that folder it works. so I’m up and running now.

Only remaining issue is as it was before, I’m a bass guy and not used to synth so there’s still a lot to learn to get the editor to do what I think it should.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I think you are right. When I save to a folder then go and re-point to that folder it works. so I’m up and running now.

Only remaining issue is as it was before, I’m a bass guy and not used to synth so there’s still a lot to learn to get the editor to do what I think it should.

Glad to hear that’s sorted the problem. I’ll feed back and see if there’s an away for the “upload to FI” button to always reset to pointing at the cache folder. Might be a simple fix.

I’ve written a few tutorials in the manual to help folks learn the ropes and suggest you take a look at these.

The manual should help you familiarise yourself with the controls.

If you’re a newbie at synthesis, I highly recommend this brilliant interactive website:

Learning Synths

Learn about synthesizers via Ableton’s interactive website. Play with a synth in your browser and learn to use the various parts of a synth to make your own sounds.

learningsynths.ableton.com

 

[MascisMan]

Can anyone that has received the VIP unit share a pic of the rear I/O?

 

[Quatschmacher]

Can anyone that has received the VIP unit share a pic of the rear I/O?

It’s identical to the normal version as the internal board is the same.

 

[bassbrad]

Glad to hear that’s sorted the problem. I’ll feed back and see if there’s an away for the “upload to FI” button to always reset to pointing at the cache folder. Might be a simple fix.

I’ve written a few tutorials in the manual to help folks learn the ropes and suggest you take a look at these.

The manual should help you familiarise yourself with the controls.

If you’re a newbie at synthesis, I highly recommend this brilliant interactive website:

Learning Synths

Learn about synthesizers via Ableton’s interactive website. Play with a synth in your browser and learn to use the various parts of a synth to make your own sounds.

learningsynths.ableton.com

Another good source for gaining understanding on how synthesis works is Your 1st modular synth patch that uses VCV Rack 2 as a free learning platform. I have neither the funds or space for a modular system but this virtual offers quite the assortment of sound sources and modifiers for free,

 

[Stuartbee]

FI VIP arrived. Steep learning curve expected. Can anyone point me to a basic getting started guide? The manual is not good.
For example - Im seeing 995 say on various youtube demos - I can change bank to 9 - I can change program to 9 but for Data I just get a dash - in the middle?
I scroll to 5 - I push the button to get rid of the flashing dot and it goes to a dash everytime? How to see 995?

 

[Stuartbee]

Can anyone that has received the VIP unit share a pic of the rear I/O?

 

[sunbeast]

FI VIP arrived. Steep learning curve expected. Can anyone point me to a basic getting started guide? The manual is not good.
For example - Im seeing 995 say on various youtube demos - I can change bank to 9 - I can change program to 9 but for Data I just get a dash - in the middle?
I scroll to 5 - I push the button to get rid of the flashing dot and it goes to a dash everytime? How to see 995?

I personally think the manual is quite well put together. The behavior of the parameter dial is explained on pages 12-13 of the manual. The YouTube videos you were watching are probably using an older version of the Future Impact- up until the v4, all previous versions only had very rough parameter adjustment on the face of the pedal. Each parameter only had incremental adjustment from 0-9 on previous versions (which meant VERY rough adjustment compared to what the computer editor is capable of), while the FI v4 has expanded the adjustment range for most of the parameters on the face of the pedal from -64 to 63 which represents the entire 128 note MIDI range of adjustment you can get when editing the pedal on a computer or using a MIDI controller. "5" on the older Future Impacts represented the default middle setting, while on the v4 the default/middle will be "0"

 

[Kubicki Fan]

FI VIP arrived. Steep learning curve expected. Can anyone point me to a basic getting started guide? The manual is not good.
For example - Im seeing 995 say on various youtube demos - I can change bank to 9 - I can change program to 9 but for Data I just get a dash - in the middle?
I scroll to 5 - I push the button to get rid of the flashing dot and it goes to a dash everytime? How to see 995?

Luckily the author of the manual is available here on this thread and he is very helpful with questions and problems.

 

[Stuartbee]

I personally think the manual is quite well put together. The behavior of the parameter dial is explained on pages 12-13 of the manual. The YouTube videos you were watching are probably using an older version of the Future Impact- up until the v4, all previous versions only had very rough parameter adjustment on the face of the pedal. Each parameter only had incremental adjustment from 0-9 on previous versions (which meant VERY rough adjustment compared to what the computer editor is capable of), while the FI v4 has expanded the adjustment range for most of the parameters on the face of the pedal from -64 to 63 which represents the entire 128 note MIDI range of adjustment you can get when editing the pedal on a computer or using a MIDI controller. "5" on the older Future Impacts represented the default middle setting, while on the v4 the default/middle will be "0"

Helpful explanation! So the high, mid and low 'dash' on Data is expected behaviour and the 5 was earlier version?
To be clear, I'm not seeing a '0' or any number after saving. I'm only seeing the dashes.

 

[sunbeast]

Helpful explanation! So the high, mid and low 'dash' on Data is expected behaviour and the 5 was earlier version?
To be clear, I'm not seeing a '0' or any number after saving. I'm only seeing the dashes.

If you read the manual pages I pointed out it describes the meaning of the different dashes. Because the previous version of FI only had 0-9 as possible editing parameters the parameter amount could still be attached to the end of the preset number. Because the v4 has much larger parameter adjustment available (from -64 to 63) there isn’t enough room on the screen to show two or three extra characters after the preset number and so you only see the parameter amounts while adjusting them using the value knob and the dashes after the preset number tell you different status

 

[Stuartbee]

If you read the manual pages I pointed out it describes the meaning of the different dashes. Because the previous version of FI only had 0-9 as possible editing parameters the parameter amount could still be attached to the end of the preset number. Because the v4 has much larger parameter adjustment available (from -64 to 63) there isn’t enough room on the screen to show two or three extra characters after the preset number and so you only see the parameter amounts while adjusting them using the value knob and the dashes after the preset number tell you different status

Yes. Got it now. Appreciate you taking the time to explain. There's not one single youtube video with this 'new display method' and every single one (from Deep Impact onwards) has the 5 at the end so I was confused as to why I wasn't seeing that. Ill postpone installing the Editor for a week until my MIDI headache goes away! Thanks all.

 

[sunbeast]

Yes. Got it now. Appreciate you taking the time to explain. There's not one single youtube video with this 'new display method' and every single one (from Deep Impact onwards) has the 5 at the end so I was confused as to why I wasn't seeing that. Ill postpone installing the Editor for a week until my MIDI headache goes away! Thanks all.

You’ll have to search specifically for “Future Impact v4” since the v4 has many hardware and software changes vs the previous Future Impact versions. Here for example:

 

[Randy Ward]

I just got my VIP. I want you all to know the pictures we've seen online and the rendering that was used for the VIP announcement, don't really do it justice. This new enclosure is quite beautiful, the new knobs look stylish & classy and of course it just sounds amazing. Andras Szalay and his team has done an incredible job bringing this futuristic Swiss army knife effect into the hands of bass players around the world. Thank You Andras!

 

[klattman]

Got mine and the enclosure is really great looking.

Now if I could understand how to get the flexi controllers to give me a juicy bootsy type envelope filter sound, I’d be all set. Does anyone have a screen shot of a place to start or know of a video?

 

[Quatschmacher]

Got mine and the enclosure is really great looking.

Now if I could understand how to get the flexi controllers to give me a juicy bootsy type envelope filter sound, I’d be all set. Does anyone have a screen shot of a place to start or know of a video?

I’ve shared patches in this vein, available through the editor. Also, read the envelope filter tutorial in the manual.

 

[MascisMan]

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I just got my VIP. I want you all to know the pictures we've seen online and the rendering that was used for the VIP announcement, don't really do it justice. This new enclosure is quite beautiful, the new knobs look stylish & classy and of course it just sounds amazing. Andras Szalay and his team has done an incredible job bringing this futuristic Swiss army knife effect into the hands of bass players around the world. Thank You Andras!

Received mine as well! Looks great and sounds great. Now to dive in to the learning curve. Before I get going though, is anyone familiar with an EH Bass Micro Synth type preset floating out there?

 

[Randy Ward]

Received mine as well! Looks great and sounds great. Now to dive in to the learning curve. Before I get going though, is anyone familiar with an EH Bass Micro Synth type preset floating out there?

Post a video or a sound clip of the sound you're looking for. I personally don't think I've ever heard the electro harmonix microsynth but I checked out a couple of videos. I'm sure there's something someone has already made
Or something included in the original preset that will work for you

 

[Quatschmacher]

Received mine as well! Looks great and sounds great. Now to dive in to the learning curve. Before I get going though, is anyone familiar with an EH Bass Micro Synth type preset floating out there?

Should be easy enough to create as that thing is just dry, square sub octave, octave up, square wave distortion, all into a resonant low pass filter with just a triggered AD envelope.

There are way more interesting sounds to be had from the FI though. The EHX was something that tried to approximate a synth, whereas you now have access to an actual synth.