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G&L Club Part 7

very good summary, and I agree with all of it, although I would describe the GHS flats as "compressed" sounding to me (which is why I do not prefer those).

One other option, that's pretty widely available, is the DR Legends. I view those as comparable to the Labella, and I think the gauges are similar to the DTF.

EB Cobalt/Slinky Flats are the flats that sound the most like rounds (to me and my ears)
 
@jglunt Some other thoughts about flats that I've used…

TI flats – They feel very nice under the fingers and they're known for their string-to-string balance, which I agree is among the best. For me, the A string is too small at .070. Needs to be .075-.080, IMO. It just feels skinny/thin under the hand. Low tension. The E string sustains better than any E on flats that I've tried, but I feel that each string seems to have a little less sustain as you work up to the G. They do sound smooth, but at the same time, I don't feel that I can really "dig in" with them because they're too light tension. I've had them on a P bass, J bass and currently on my L-2000.

D'Addario Chromes – most people seem to try these because of their accessibility. It's the flat that most big box stores carry. They're good strings, start out a little brighter/scooped and eventually settle in to more of a mid-focused tone but tend to lose their character when they do. Can be a little bit high tension. Balance well across all strings acoustically and amplified. I've had several sets, used on L-2000, SB-2, L-1500, P bass, J bass, a fretless P bass, and a medium scale set on a Rogue violin bass. I do recall getting compliments on my tone with a well-broken-in set on a L-2000.

Fender 9050 – similar to chromes but with a little bit more voice in the mids. Can get growly. Tension is similar to the Chromes. Also balance well across all strings acoustically and amplified. Long term, they seem to hold their mids and character better than the Chromes did. I've had the same set on my LB-100 for the better part of 10 years and they still sound great. They've come off a few times, made it onto an L-2000 for a while and sounded very good there. But they keep ending up on the LB-100 as they just seem to be at home there.

GHS Precision Flats – These float more in the thumpy camp where the LaBellas reside, but do get a bit growly (not as much as the Fenders, though). They don't have the glossy feel to them, they have what I would think is more of a medium tension to them, don't feel floppy, but again, the E string sounds kind of dead acoustically and the D and G seem almost a little bright, but everything balances out when plugged in. I have these on my L-1000 currently. (I also have a short-scale set on a Gibson Les Paul DC Jr bass, and on an SG bass previously, and I would not buy the short scale set again only because the E string is way too light, IMO. The E string seemed to have no volume on the SG, but it sounds fine on the Les Paul Jr.)

LaBella DTF – I actually only have tried the medium scale set on the aforementioned SG bass, but they totally solved any issues I was having with the P Flats set. Much more tension on the E string, but the E is a .105 versus the GHS .095. They do have a glossy feel to them. The whole set seems fairly quiet acoustically, but plugged in, they have much more punch, much more balanced. Get a little bit growly when using the bridge pickup. Took it from a bass that I was thinking of selling to one that I really enjoy playing now. Great old-school vibe.

LaBella Low Tension Flats – these have more low thump than the TIs, and a slightly glossy feel. And the A is .075, so they beat the TIs there. They do have a clear top end, though subtle, which surprised me. Used on a L-1000 and L-2000. Acoustically, the E string seems pretty dead/thuddy, but it balances out and sounds really good amplified. (I put them on my LB-100 for a while, but never really played it through an amp because the Fender 9050s went back on pretty quickly, just based on feel.)

Ernie Ball Group V (the 5-string version of the Group III) – had them on an active Jazz V for a while. The B actually was very clear, E and A sounded good and the G string quickly felt and sounded dead and bland. D string was somewhere in the middle. Felt nice to the touch, medium tension, but largely uninspiring.

I realize that it sounds like I've gone through a lot of sets of flats, but really, most have just had the same set moved around on different basses. For some reason, I've had 5 sets of Chromes, but everything else, just one set of each, not counting the short/medium scale sets.
Thanks so much for taking the time to give such a detailed explanation. Many (very many) years ago, I played nothing except Fender flats, which were the string everybody played back then. I was playing a Mosrite Celebrity bass, and Ray Boatright, the "rite" of Mosrite, saw me. He gave me a few sets of Mosrite strings. I know nothing about them except they were shortscale roundwounds, and I loved them. I played nothing but roundwounds after that for 50 years. I'm just coming back to flats, so your message is most helpful.
 
@jglunt Some other thoughts about flats that I've used…

TI flats – They feel very nice under the fingers and they're known for their string-to-string balance, which I agree is among the best. For me, the A string is too small at .070. Needs to be .075-.080, IMO. It just feels skinny/thin under the hand. Low tension. The E string sustains better than any E on flats that I've tried, but I feel that each string seems to have a little less sustain as you work up to the G. They do sound smooth, but at the same time, I don't feel that I can really "dig in" with them because they're too light tension. I've had them on a P bass, J bass and currently on my L-2000.

D'Addario Chromes – most people seem to try these because of their accessibility. It's the flat that most big box stores carry. They're good strings, start out a little brighter/scooped and eventually settle in to more of a mid-focused tone but tend to lose their character when they do. Can be a little bit high tension. Balance well across all strings acoustically and amplified. I've had several sets, used on L-2000, SB-2, L-1500, P bass, J bass, a fretless P bass, and a medium scale set on a Rogue violin bass. I do recall getting compliments on my tone with a well-broken-in set on a L-2000.

Fender 9050 – similar to chromes but with a little bit more voice in the mids. Can get growly. Tension is similar to the Chromes. Also balance well across all strings acoustically and amplified. Long term, they seem to hold their mids and character better than the Chromes did. I've had the same set on my LB-100 for the better part of 10 years and they still sound great. They've come off a few times, made it onto an L-2000 for a while and sounded very good there. But they keep ending up on the LB-100 as they just seem to be at home there.

GHS Precision Flats – These float more in the thumpy camp where the LaBellas reside, but do get a bit growly (not as much as the Fenders, though). They don't have the glossy feel to them, they have what I would think is more of a medium tension to them, don't feel floppy, but again, the E string sounds kind of dead acoustically and the D and G seem almost a little bright, but everything balances out when plugged in. I have these on my L-1000 currently. (I also have a short-scale set on a Gibson Les Paul DC Jr bass, and on an SG bass previously, and I would not buy the short scale set again only because the E string is way too light, IMO. The E string seemed to have no volume on the SG, but it sounds fine on the Les Paul Jr.)

LaBella DTF – I actually only have tried the medium scale set on the aforementioned SG bass, but they totally solved any issues I was having with the P Flats set. Much more tension on the E string, but the E is a .105 versus the GHS .095. They do have a glossy feel to them. The whole set seems fairly quiet acoustically, but plugged in, they have much more punch, much more balanced. Get a little bit growly when using the bridge pickup. Took it from a bass that I was thinking of selling to one that I really enjoy playing now. Great old-school vibe.

LaBella Low Tension Flats – these have more low thump than the TIs, and a slightly glossy feel. And the A is .075, so they beat the TIs there. They do have a clear top end, though subtle, which surprised me. Used on a L-1000 and L-2000. Acoustically, the E string seems pretty dead/thuddy, but it balances out and sounds really good amplified. (I put them on my LB-100 for a while, but never really played it through an amp because the Fender 9050s went back on pretty quickly, just based on feel.)

Ernie Ball Group V (the 5-string version of the Group III) – had them on an active Jazz V for a while. The B actually was very clear, E and A sounded good and the G string quickly felt and sounded dead and bland. D string was somewhere in the middle. Felt nice to the touch, medium tension, but largely uninspiring.

I realize that it sounds like I've gone through a lot of sets of flats, but really, most have just had the same set moved around on different basses. For some reason, I've had 5 sets of Chromes, but everything else, just one set of each, not counting the short/medium scale sets.

I too agree with most of your observations. I'd only disagree about the Ernie Ball "Group V" flats. I found them on my bass to be very even (I agree about the even-sounding B), and are among those that maintain a nice mid presence as they age.

I'll also add a comment about Dunlop flats. They too have a great mid presence that mellows some with break-in. They have a medium-low tension; a bit less than DTFL's, but much more than TI's. Both their 120 & 125 B strings sound great, even in short scale. Too bad they cost as much as TI's (in the States).
 
Oh, another thought on the string topic is half rounds, compression wound, etc.

I've only tried the D,Addario Half Wounds, but they can be fairly growl without being zingy like a round would be. Definitely an acquired taste, and I do find they respond well on a P style bass, less so with MFDs.
 
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Oh, another thought on the string topic is half rounds, compression wound, etc.

I've only tried the D,Addario Half Wounds, but they can be fairly growl without being zingy like a round would be. Definitely an acquired taste, and I do find they respond well on a P style bass, less so with MFDs.
I had those on a six string bass and liked them quite a bit.

John
 
I've no experience with the original Fender flats, but from what I've read, the current ones are quite different from the older ones.
It's been so many years since I played them that I just can't say. My taste in bass tone has changed a lot since then. Heck, everything has changed since then. We didn't even have microwaves back then. Phones had cords!!

I tried a set if 9045s on a Squier jazz I have about a month ago and didn't like them at all. They sounded very thin. I put a set of the Ernie Ball Slinky Cobalt flats on it and got exactly the sound I was looking for...nice solid bottom end with good articulation across all the strings. But frankly, I'm a little put off by the fact that they've taken a 25% price jump recently. Also, one of the basses I use flats on is an NS Design WAV4 headless, and the EBs just don't work with that tuning system, I'm told. It just peels the silk off the strings.

I tend to not care for stainless steel wounds in either roundwounds or flatwounds--just personal taste. TIs are nickelwounds, and I think they're on a round core. That probably accounts for their mellowness and flexibility. There's one other company--a newer one; can't remember their name--that has nickel-wound flats, but their prices are as high as TI's. The EB Slinkys are Cobalt wound. Rotosound 77s are Monel wound, and I like the sound of them, but Rotosound and I had a little dust-up concerning their double ball end strings, so I tend to stay away from all their strings these days. I sure appreciate all the info!
 
EB Cobalt/Slinky Flats are the flats that sound the most like rounds (to me and my ears)
From what I've heard, you are right. I'm sure that's my main attraction to the EB Slinky flats. After 50+ years of playing roundwounds, I still like that sound. I wish I could put them on my very-highly-modded NS Design WAV4, but I'm told that tuning system, which uses a clamp to grab the strings, just slides the silk right off of them. :woot::(
 
Oh, another thought on the string topic is half rounds, compression wound, etc.

I've only tried the D,Addario Half Wounds, but they can be fairly growl without being zingy like a round would be. Definitely an acquired taste, and I do find they respond well on a P style bass, less so with MFDs.
I have a set of the GHS Pressurewounds on my SB-2. They're not bad, and it seems like the longer they're on there, the more I like them. After a few years, they'll probably be my favorite string, then they'll need changed! :bassist::hyper: To me, though, they don't really have the playability of a flatwound. There's more finger noise than a flat, and they feel kinda strange to me. They sound more like a flatwound to me than a roundwound, but not exactly like a flatwound. It's a sound all its own. I tried D'Addario half-rounds a long time ago, and I thought that they didn't sound as good as roundwounds nor play as well as flatwounds. I considered them a nice try that fell flat, but they might be worth another try. Thanks for mentioning them.
 
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Yeah, Pyramid Gold are the nickel-wound flats I was trying to think of. I know nothing about them. If they're on a hex core instead of a round core they might sound similar to the TIs but not be quite so flexible. Their gauges might be a little more "normal" than the TIs.
 
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@jglunt Some other thoughts about flats that I've used…

TI flats – They feel very nice under the fingers and they're known for their string-to-string balance, which I agree is among the best. For me, the A string is too small at .070. Needs to be .075-.080, IMO. It just feels skinny/thin under the hand. Low tension. The E string sustains better than any E on flats that I've tried, but I feel that each string seems to have a little less sustain as you work up to the G. They do sound smooth, but at the same time, I don't feel that I can really "dig in" with them because they're too light tension. I've had them on a P bass, J bass and currently on my L-2000.

D'Addario Chromes – most people seem to try these because of their accessibility. It's the flat that most big box stores carry. They're good strings, start out a little brighter/scooped and eventually settle in to more of a mid-focused tone but tend to lose their character when they do. Can be a little bit high tension. Balance well across all strings acoustically and amplified. I've had several sets, used on L-2000, SB-2, L-1500, P bass, J bass, a fretless P bass, and a medium scale set on a Rogue violin bass. I do recall getting compliments on my tone with a well-broken-in set on a L-2000.

Fender 9050 – similar to chromes but with a little bit more voice in the mids. Can get growly. Tension is similar to the Chromes. Also balance well across all strings acoustically and amplified. Long term, they seem to hold their mids and character better than the Chromes did. I've had the same set on my LB-100 for the better part of 10 years and they still sound great. They've come off a few times, made it onto an L-2000 for a while and sounded very good there. But they keep ending up on the LB-100 as they just seem to be at home there.

GHS Precision Flats – These float more in the thumpy camp where the LaBellas reside, but do get a bit growly (not as much as the Fenders, though). They don't have the glossy feel to them, they have what I would think is more of a medium tension to them, don't feel floppy, but again, the E string sounds kind of dead acoustically and the D and G seem almost a little bright, but everything balances out when plugged in. I have these on my L-1000 currently. (I also have a short-scale set on a Gibson Les Paul DC Jr bass, and on an SG bass previously, and I would not buy the short scale set again only because the E string is way too light, IMO. The E string seemed to have no volume on the SG, but it sounds fine on the Les Paul Jr.)

LaBella DTF – I actually only have tried the medium scale set on the aforementioned SG bass, but they totally solved any issues I was having with the P Flats set. Much more tension on the E string, but the E is a .105 versus the GHS .095. They do have a glossy feel to them. The whole set seems fairly quiet acoustically, but plugged in, they have much more punch, much more balanced. Get a little bit growly when using the bridge pickup. Took it from a bass that I was thinking of selling to one that I really enjoy playing now. Great old-school vibe.

LaBella Low Tension Flats – these have more low thump than the TIs, and a slightly glossy feel. And the A is .075, so they beat the TIs there. They do have a clear top end, though subtle, which surprised me. Used on a L-1000 and L-2000. Acoustically, the E string seems pretty dead/thuddy, but it balances out and sounds really good amplified. (I put them on my LB-100 for a while, but never really played it through an amp because the Fender 9050s went back on pretty quickly, just based on feel.)

Ernie Ball Group V (the 5-string version of the Group III) – had them on an active Jazz V for a while. The B actually was very clear, E and A sounded good and the G string quickly felt and sounded dead and bland. D string was somewhere in the middle. Felt nice to the touch, medium tension, but largely uninspiring.

I realize that it sounds like I've gone through a lot of sets of flats, but really, most have just had the same set moved around on different basses. For some reason, I've had 5 sets of Chromes, but everything else, just one set of each, not counting the short/medium scale sets.
You seem to hear what I do with the above mentioned strings. I could never leave Chromes on long enough apparently to get the mids you heard, however. Tried them a number of times and never liked them on anything. True of all D'A strings for some reason. But I have no experience with the Ernie Balls. Their Colbalt Flats are nice, but some kind of reaction makes my fingers hurt slightly after some playing.
 
To me, string tension is a big deal so when I switched from rounds to flats, my research lead me to Chromes (which still sounded very bright) and then GHS Precision Flats which were the opposite (i.e. very thumpy). Both were high tension, similar to my rounds. I had tried some of the others mentioned but found that lower-tension strings felt too much like wet noodles to me.

If tension matters to you, you may want to include that in your deliberations. Good luck! Enjoy!
 
I did some quick research on the Pyramid Gold strings mentioned above. They seem to be very secretive, for some reason. Maybe they're a CIA front. :cool::woot: I was unable to get specific string gauges, but their only long scale flatwound set is 40-105. I really don't like a 40 on a G-string, so I'd probably never buy a set of these, especially at $70-a-set. They seem to only make that one 4-string set--nothing for 5- or 6-string. They are definitely nickel-wound. I assume they're hex core. The reviews I read indicate they have more tension than TIs. If I were motivated to dig a little deeper on these, I'd update this later, but the price along with that 40 on the G-string has already ruled them out for me.

So it's TIs and Pyramids and maybe Optimas that are nickelwound flats. (I failed to find any info on Optimas except that they do offer flatwound bass strings. It would help if I could read German.) Ernie Ball Slinkys are cobalt wound flats. Roto 77s are monel wound. It looks like all others are stainless steel wound, as best I can tell. All except the TIs and the DR Legends are on hex cores, presumably. (The Legends are round core stainless steel wound.) None of this research is guaranteed. I flunked out of college for a reason. :):roflmao: Time for a nap!
 
To me, string tension is a big deal so when I switched from rounds to flats, my research lead me to Chromes (which still sounded very bright) and then GHS Precision Flats which were the opposite (i.e. very thumpy). Both were high tension, similar to my rounds. I had tried some of the others mentioned but found that lower-tension strings felt too much like wet noodles to me.

If tension matters to you, you may want to include that in your deliberations. Good luck! Enjoy!

So interesting to hear people's tastes.....for me, low tension is preferable and more finger friendly....chromes sound OK but feel stiff as piano cables to me....different strokes ;)
 
Chromes' feel changes quite a lot as they break in - a big change within days, then a more gradual one over weeks. You can hear the initial stiffness in the sound, too. As the strings break in, they get more warmth, (without losing the ringing character that some want, and others don't)

Once they're broken in, I find Chromes are roughly equivalent to rounds like Rotosound or GHS that are 1 step up in gauge. So my 45-105 set feels similar to Roto Bass 50-110.

If I was trying them for the first time, and was used to 45-105 rounds, I'd go for the 40-100 set; before fitting them I would give them a quick clean with an alcohol wipe to get rid of the polishing compound that feels sticky; and I would brace myself for a couple of days of them being quite hard work!
 
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I did some quick research on the Pyramid Gold strings mentioned above. They seem to be very secretive, for some reason. Maybe they're a CIA front. :cool::woot: I was unable to get specific string gauges, but their only long scale flatwound set is 40-105. I really don't like a 40 on a G-string, so I'd probably never buy a set of these, especially at $70-a-set. They seem to only make that one 4-string set--nothing for 5- or 6-string. They are definitely nickel-wound. I assume they're hex core. The reviews I read indicate they have more tension than TIs. If I were motivated to dig a little deeper on these, I'd update this later, but the price along with that 40 on the G-string has already ruled them out for me.

So it's TIs and Pyramids and maybe Optimas that are nickelwound flats. (I failed to find any info on Optimas except that they do offer flatwound bass strings. It would help if I could read German.) Ernie Ball Slinkys are cobalt wound flats. Roto 77s are monel wound. It looks like all others are stainless steel wound, as best I can tell. All except the TIs and the DR Legends are on hex cores, presumably. (The Legends are round core stainless steel wound.) None of this research is guaranteed. I flunked out of college for a reason. :):roflmao: Time for a nap!
Pyramid Gold's are nice. More tension than TIs, but not high by any means. I don't like fighting strings. Very comfortable to play. I have them on a couple of basses (a '55 Pbass and a '58). Very balanced sounding in my applications. TI is tight lipped about info as well. I emailed once about string length on Infelds and was told that was was proprietary Information. Told them why I wanted to know (length for a Thunderbird), and they accommodated. Why that would be a secret eludes me. A competitor could by a set and measure it.
 
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