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[groovaholic]

Interesting stuff - thanks @Kro !

I’ll have the opportunity to try this tone in a different setting (with a blues band, rather than heavy rock) later today.

 

[Kro]

and the 410s require my volume knobs to be so low that it’s in that space where the tiniest fraction of a turn goes from inaudible to too loud.

Just out of curiosity, how do you have the gain stages set up? I've never had that issue with any of my 700RBs.

I have had that issue with other amps, so I'm not discounting it (it is frustrating), it just seems odd to me with that specific one. I bring it up because it sounds like if you could get the gain staging squared away you might be able to make do with what you currently have.

With all that being said, I personalty was less than thrilled with the low-end capabilities of a single NEO 112. But that could be just me.

 

[kleinenenten]

Just out of curiosity, how do you have the gain stages set up? I've never had that issue with any of my 700RBs.

I have had that issue with other amps, so I'm not discounting it (it is frustrating), it just seems odd to me with that specific one. I bring it up because it sounds like if you could get the gain staging squared away you might be able to make do with what you currently have.

With all that being said, I personalty was less than thrilled with the low-end capabilities of a single NEO 112. But that could be just me.

My volume is around 9:00, so not high, with the pad on. I keep treble and bass ant about noon, low mids at 2, hi mids at 3. And I am also worried about the low end. One of the reasons I have the 410 is for the low end capabilities. It’s the lowest tuned of the Neo cabs.

 

[kleinenenten]

Anybody know the difference between the 112 Neo-II and the original version?

 

[Kro]

Anybody know the difference between the 112 Neo-II and the original version?

Is that the one where they just changed the dimensions so it could better stack with the 212 and 410? My memory is fuzzy, but that might be it.

 

[kleinenenten]

Is that the one where they just changed the dimensions so it could better stack with the 212 and 410? My memory is fuzzy, but that might be it.

Maybe? I've been trying to find a spec sheet, but all the ones I can find are for the II variety and not the original. Thanks for all the help lately! I'm going to keep trying to make do with my current setup and see what I can do. Hopefully I can figure it out! As much as I like gear, I don't like spending money that I don't have to!

 

[Kro]

Maybe? I've been trying to find a spec sheet, but all the ones I can find are for the II variety and not the original. Thanks for all the help lately! I'm going to keep trying to make do with my current setup and see what I can do. Hopefully I can figure it out! As much as I like gear, I don't like spending money that I don't have to!

Yeah, it's weird with your 700 - you're padding down the input a ton between "volume" and the pad itself - do you use a particularly high boost setting? I'm assuming the master is what you're saying is tough to dial in between basically "off" and "too loud.

 

[kleinenenten]

Yeah, it's weird with your 700 - you're padding down the input a ton between "volume" and the pad itself - do you use a particularly high boost setting? I'm assuming the master is what you're saying is tough to dial in between basically "off" and "too loud.

Correct. It may be my dirt pedals as well. If I alter my amp settings too much, then the dirt needs to be adjusted as well, and that takes plenty of time to get right. It's a pain, that's for sure. I'm trying to make it so that the Master can just be adjusted and all of my stuff works as I like. I feel I'm getting closer.

Like I said, I'll keep trying to figure it out, but a 410 with a 400RB or 700RB (my main amps) is plenty more than I need for solo practice! Not that I want to get rid of them, because I love the volume when I can use it!

 

[Al Kraft]

IIRC Kro the original Neo 112 had round front ports and slightly smaller overall size/footprint. The Neo 112 II is slightly larger and uses a slot type front port. My guess is that the drivers and crossover elements inside are the same, but I don't know for sure.

I've never played the two cabs side by side so I can't offer a valid opinion about performance differences, if there even are any.

 

[Al Kraft]

I know Tom Bowlus was impressed with the GK Neo cabs (they got on my radar from and chef's his posts). Perhaps he and/or chef might have some insights on the evolution of the Neo line and more information on the first version of Neo cabs.

 

[gstaats]

@kleinenenten Have you considered headphones?

 

[Bassist30]

Got my GK MB fusion 800 back from the repair shop. As I said earlier GK refused to fix it do to it being passed the warranty. Many amps today use tin connections (GK does) not like the older gold coated pins. Cost was 193 dollar to fix. Not bad but like cars they are fixed in sections. So they have to be a GK recommended store to have it done. I still like the amp. Light and powerful. Not my main amp but a good backup for me.

 

[BklynKen]

Sorry for the bump, but I thought maybe some people thought my post was more of a, "Here's my rig!" post. Has anyone here played both the MB and Legacy heads to be able to compare them?

Thanks again.

 

[kleinenenten]

@kleinenenten Have you considered headphones?

I have, and while I use them to learn songs, they just don’t “feel” right.

 

[Markfrom_pa]

Sorry for the bump, but I thought maybe some people thought my post was more of a, "Here's my rig!" post. Has anyone here played both the MB and Legacy heads to be able to compare them?

Thanks again.

Hey, actually just made the jump from a MB500 to a Legacy 800 and have been very impressed.

There is something sonically different with the Legacy, and I couldn't tell you what that is. Maybe someone with a bit more experience can weigh in here. I guess the simple answer is it sounds like a classic GK amp, whereas the MB has a bit of that vibe, but not quite like the Legacy.

I never had a chance to play the original GK amps, my introduction to GK was the MB210. The legacy reminds me of the sounds that inspired to get into Gk (Duff/Flea), moreso than the MB did. That's not to say they don't share some characteristics.

I'm really stoked about my tone right now. It's definitely worth checking out in person if you can. It's tough to describe tone, but I'm very happy with the move to the Legacy.

I hope that helps!

 

[kleinenenten]

Think I figured out my volume issue. It was a combo of a few things. First, I hate amp hiss. I use two gates - one for my dirt pedals and another in the FX loop. Sometimes, I still get hiss. What I've just realized a few days ago is that it's from my tweeter - in other words, it's being sent from the power amp which has no way to be gated. I found out I don't like tweeters, as up until this point, I had always had my tweeter on at about 10:00. This led to hiss, which was much more audible at low volume, requiring me to turn up slightly to cover it. This was too much for my quiet practice needs while my son napped. I have now turned my tweeter off - and I had assumed it would negatively affect my tone. Nope! Still sounds the same, and even has less of that annoying treble I always seem to fight in dirt boxes, allowing me to re-EQ my dirt more effectively. And now, without that hiss, I can effectively practice at quieter volumes. I love it! No new amps or cabs (well, at least not for this reason...) and I can keep my money! Good news!

 

[kleinenenten]

Totally unrelated to my previous posts, but is the GK online store down for anybody else? I feel like it's been down for months, but I also remember someone here saying a while ago it was down for them but up for others. Any idea what's going on? Is there another link I can try besides the one on their website?

 

[TomB]

Sorry for the bump, but I thought maybe some people thought my post was more of a, "Here's my rig!" post. Has anyone here played both the MB and Legacy heads to be able to compare them?

Thanks again.

Gallien Krueger Club. GK Rules !

 

[BklynKen]

Hey, actually just made the jump from a MB500 to a Legacy 800 and have been very impressed.

There is something sonically different with the Legacy, and I couldn't tell you what that is. Maybe someone with a bit more experience can weigh in here. I guess the simple answer is it sounds like a classic GK amp, whereas the MB has a bit of that vibe, but not quite like the Legacy.

I never had a chance to play the original GK amps, my introduction to GK was the MB210. The legacy reminds me of the sounds that inspired to get into Gk (Duff/Flea), moreso than the MB did. That's not to say they don't share some characteristics.

I'm really stoked about my tone right now. It's definitely worth checking out in person if you can. It's tough to describe tone, but I'm very happy with the move to the Legacy.

I hope that helps!

Gallien Krueger Club. GK Rules !

Thanks to both of you. Doesn't sound like I'd get any huge advantage with the Legacy right now over my MB500. I use an overdrive pedal, so I wouldn't need its built-in overdrive. And it doesn't sound like there's an inherently large tonal difference between the two. I do prefer the aesthetics of the Legacy and wish my MB500 were black like the Fusion, but none of that would justify the cost of getting a Legacy when my MB500 works perfectly well.

 

[kleinenenten]

Continuing my low volume/tweeter discussion from earlier - I DO like tweeters. Here's what I realized just a few minutes ago while playing. Bear with me - common sense is hard to find in my case it would seem...

Bi-amp = 2 amps. Yup. That's it. Let me explain.

When I turned down my amp before, I heard more hiss. I disliked it. I had only been turning down the master volume. But with a bi-amp rig, that just meant my "bass" volume was lower, but the "treble" volume was the same since I'm using the GK Bi-amp capabilities. So earlier, when I was playing quietly and I reduced both master and tweeter to almost nil, they were relatively balanced. My tone was how I liked it. I played louder about an hour ago, increasing only the master. My tone was terrible. It had no definition. Pure mud. My dirt didn't sound right anymore. I re-adjusted the tweeter to its previous level and found my tone again. It got me thinking - bi-amp is two amps. I have two volume controls. If my main amp is louder, I should increase the tweeter amp volume as well. I then increased the tweeter level and left the master alone. I got a similar hissy high pitch tone to when I was initially playing quietly, but louder now. Yup - confirmed. My amp sounded noisier before because I had only reduced the lows, not the treble. So I got the same volume of the high end, but far reduced low end. In other words, I need to adjust both master and tweeter accordingly to my volume.

TL;DR - the GK bi-amp feature is two amps. (Duh.) Adjust volume accordingly so that one amp doesn't drown out the other. I guess this just means I should use my 400RB-IV more, as it's simpler for low volume!