Discussion in 'Amps, Mics & Pickups [DB]' started by shoreacres29, Jan 14, 2009.

  1. shoreacres29

    shoreacres29 Guest

    Jan 14, 2009
    Portland, OR
    Looking for a new better preamp/head/cabinet for my upright bass. I play gigs in a variety of bars/corners/restaurants. Looking at the Gallien Krueger Goldline 500 head and 4X10 cabinet. I have a Fishman pickup, looking at better gear there too. Thoughts? Feelings? Reactions? Experience?

    Brand new here---

  2. salcott

    salcott Supporting Member

    Aug 22, 2007
    NYC, Inwood.
    What are you using now? How is your current rig unsatisfactory? 4/10 is a lot of speaker for the gigs you describe. I'd look into the GK MB150 for starters. I'm real happy with the Acoustic Image Focus/Euphonic Audio WZ110 rig as well. Is your pickup the BP100 or the Full Circle? The BP100 is greatly improved with a preamp like those sold by Fishman. The FC is pretty good on its own.
  3. Gearhead43

    Gearhead43 Guest

    Nov 25, 2007
    What type of music do you play?

    GK has always been pretty popular for double bass, but I don't see too many guys using the Goldline stuff. I have not tried one myself.

    The rb series (400rb, 800rb, 700rb) of heads are very well liked by alot of rockabilly, blues and country players, and then the little MB150 combos are used by alot of Jazz players.

    As for pickups, if you are using the original (clips on the bridge) Fishman, then just about any other pickup is going to be better. :D

    Some popular pickups are: the Underwood, Revolution Solo II, K&K Bass Max, Fishman Full Circle, David Gage Realist (best for lower volume applications) , and the newer Planet Wing. There are many more.

    Many players also use a preamp to get a better sound and allow for extended EQ capabilities and take advantage of feedback fighting features. The Fishman Pro Platinum Bass EQ/DI is a very popular one, and I use it myself.

    It would probably help you get better help also if you fill out your profile, so folks can see what sort of music, bass, etc you are into.
  4. fdeck

    fdeck Supporting Member Commercial User

    Mar 20, 2004
    Madison WI
    HPF Technology LLC
    Goldline is simply the name for the sub-brand of GK that is sold exclusively by Guitar Center. At 500 W into a 4x10 that is probably of typical sensitivity, that's a lot of amp if you are playing jazz. Of course you can keep the volume turned down, but you could also get away with a much smaller and lighter rig.
  5. shoreacres29

    shoreacres29 Guest

    Jan 14, 2009
    Portland, OR
    thank you all - i'm going to look into try out the GK MB150E this weekend and the David Gage realist. Some of the music I play is Indie style, some lyrical arco stuff backing up music ranging from Dave Matthews Band to Death Cab type music. Does that help? Getting a good arco tone for that seems a struggle so far. Do you think the Realist is enough? I currently have a SWR Workingmans 15 combo. The weight annoys me and I'm considering selling for the GK MB150E. Esp if the GK can handle its own in gigs with a little going through the mains of the house. Thoughts? Sorry if I'm rambling...

    Going to find out how to update my profile now too.
  6. Marc Piane

    Marc Piane

    Jun 14, 2004
    I like the 'S' model better. I like the sound better and it is cheaper.

    I love this amp and use it all the time... with a Realist... but... it is not a loud amp at all. By itself it is cool with 'acoustic' jazz stuff. When it is a gig with a keyboard instead of a real piano or a really bashing drummer it can start to get a little dicey. It is also useless in big rooms or outdoors. Add an extension speaker and you get considerably more volume. I can handle most of the stuff I do indoors by adding an extension.

    It is a great sounding amp IMHO but, like any amp, it has its limitations.
  7. The GK MB150E and MB150S are voiced differently, and I would recommend checking out both if possible before buying. I owned a GK MB150E briefly and didn't like the way it sounded. I just couldn't get a usable sound out of it. Then I played through an MB150S and was very pleasantly surprised how it sounded. I ended up buying an MB150S, and I really like it. It's a very useful little amp for low-volume gigs, and, with a good extension speaker, it can even handle much louder jobs.
  8. shoreacres29

    shoreacres29 Guest

    Jan 14, 2009
    Portland, OR
    Okay, profile has been updated. :) So I'm thinking now.... try out both the E and the S. It sounds like for louder shows it can't necessarily stand on its own. So I get a speaker cabinet to add to it... Is that always preferable in all's your opinions than running through the main sound system? And another thing... do you think I'm going down the right path as opposed to staying with the Workingmans 15 combo that I have now?

  9. Marc Piane

    Marc Piane

    Jun 14, 2004
    I used a WM15 a few times because it was the backline provided at a venue. I hated it for DB. Boomy as all get out. Howling feedback when the volume got up there a little. Just didn't work for me.

    The good thing is I didn't have to move it after the gig.
  10. shoreacres29

    shoreacres29 Guest

    Jan 14, 2009
    Portland, OR
    yes mine is boomy too. sorry for the ignorance here... what's DB?
  11. DB = double bass
    FWIW (for what its worth) my experience with MB150 amps is that they can sound a bit middy up close, but out the front of the stage, all the low frequencies really kick in. When you audition them, make sure you get well away from them, as well as up close.
  12. shoreacres29

    shoreacres29 Guest

    Jan 14, 2009
    Portland, OR
    okay i'm an idiot. ;)

    okay another idea....this combo: more power and strength for gigs since i'm typically playing with a louder band - acoustic/electric guitars, drums, percussion, other strings...?

  13. Its gonna shift a LOT more air than a tiny GK150, but is it the sound you want. The speaker is also over 100lbs(!), only 8 ohms (you won't get 300 watts out of the amp, more like 200w) and quite inefficient (92db as against my m-line wizzy @ 102db). It really is chalk and cheese, choosing between the GK150 and the behemoth combo, but if you want to play loud, you'll probably need something bigger than a GK150, but you may get away with the 150 and the extension cab. It is a pretty amazing amp.

    Find a shop that will let you take an amp to a gig and bring it back if it doesn't cut it.
  14. jschall84


    Mar 14, 2007
    fort wayne, in
    Bad MammaJamma
    i used to play a gold line 4x10. the tone was very scooped and not very powerful for upright. i quickly returned it and bought a sbx410+ and couldnt be happier. i even like the backline cab better for upright. on my slab, it was a very crisp clean tone, but on upright it just couldnt hang.
  15. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    For my bass, pickup, etc. the MBS has a much more pleasing tone than the MBE. If you're looking for a more powerful amp the new GK MB2 500 has more power and the preamp voicing is pretty close to the MBs. I've only played My Lakland 55-94 through it though.

  16. shoreacres29

    shoreacres29 Guest

    Jan 14, 2009
    Portland, OR
    I just tried out the MBE this morning. LOVE IT. Love the size and durability. And simply amazed at the tone replication from the acoustic bass. My response was "is it on?" b/c they amplified sound sounded so close to the natural sound.

    I may go down this line and get something like this. In some previous posts, an extension cabinet was mentioned. Is this practical? In theory I'd love to use this MBE or MBS - as my main amp and add an ext cab when necessary. Simple!

    So.... I may even go to Guitar Center today. Suggestions on ext cabs? AND - do any of you play electric as well? I didn't test my electric through the MBE but I'm assuming (after reading) that the electric will be supported just fine.
  17. shoreacres29

    shoreacres29 Guest

    Jan 14, 2009
    Portland, OR
    i.e. MBE w/ the SBX 410 ext cab?
  18. brijonrob

    brijonrob Guest

    Dec 16, 2008
    Hurlock, Maryland
    I have played all GK stuff for the past 20 years. I double on bass guitar and double bass and, depending on the circumstances, have a older 200MB150 Combo, a 200MBE head, and a 700RBNEO112. Typically the MBE head goes through a pair of Harry Kolbe 112 cabinets (or a single if space dictates). I also sometimes use the 200MB with one of the Kolbe cabs to get a little more bottom. I agree completely with the comment that the sound of the 200MB combo really opens up away from the amp. Also, placement of the 200MB can really affect the sound. Moving the amp to the floor, off the floor, on to a riser, etc... can really change your sound drastically . As the the MBS/MBE thing, the MBE just has an expanded parametric eq. With a little fiddling, I found the sweet spot for me that does not differ from my combo very much at all. The added flexibiltiy is also nice in rooms that have "weird" acoustic things happening. 700RB is a monster combo for its size, great for my electric but have not attempted it with the upright, have a feeling I would be in feedback city pretty quick. Just my two cents.
  19. shoreacres29

    shoreacres29 Guest

    Jan 14, 2009
    Portland, OR
    Thanks B (nice tatt BTW)

    I'm pretty sold on the MBE-112 combo. (Anyone selling?!) For simplicity, I'd like to be able to add a cab to this and have a more simple setup as opposed to another head in addition. My budget would prefer that as well. Am I being unrealistic though? Specs say you can add an ext speaker but I haven't seen a clear response yet on that question - add on an EA VL208 cab or an EA Wizzy 12 MLine? Or those Harry Kolbes? I don't know about them...

    Thx everyone