quick quest for the Genz Benz. What is the difference in the line level/mic level on the the direct out?
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Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.0 Appreciation Thread
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Here's what the owner's manual says:
DIRECT OUTPUT An XLR balanced direct output is provided for connection to a PA system or directly into a recording studio console or D/A converter. The Direct Out signal may be switched between mic and line level, pre and post EQ, and the audio signal ground may be connected or lifted from pin 1 to eliminate hum due to ground loops. This output is fully protected against 48 volt phantom power and may be used for driving microphone lines of up to 300 feet without problems.
I use my 6.0 through an EBS 410, my band's guitarist crapped his pants when I told him it could handle 600W. 
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Yes, the circuit is the same, the frequency just a little bit higher to reflect the typically smaller cabinets that the 3.0 is used with and the smaller amount of available power. With the LF extend switch in, it has about the same LF response as the 6.0 with the switch out (give or take a few Hz.)
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The difference is about 25dB give or take.
Line level will be nominal -10-ish but capable of about +12dBu, the reason for the -10 rather than +4 is that many consoles can't handle a true +4dBu signal with >+20dBu M.O.L. so this is a typical compromise between (real) pro level consoles that can handle a true +4 input and the vast majority of consoles out there that are much happier with -10dBu
I found I was overdriving the p.a. channel with the DI level out, even with the pad switched on. Simple switch and it has never been back.
I love my Shuttle! 90% of my gigs now involve a house p.a. (pretty good ones), so I carry only an amp stand, a Bergie 1x12, and the Shuttle and I am good. And, when I am with the bluegrass group, I carry the same, with or without p.a. support. Outdoors (three gigs since I got the Shuttle) I use two BagEnd's, 1x15. Awesome. The Shuttle moves a lot of air. Quite a bit. I am a big fan!
I love my Shuttle! 90% of my gigs now involve a house p.a. (pretty good ones), so I carry only an amp stand, a Bergie 1x12, and the Shuttle and I am good. And, when I am with the bluegrass group, I carry the same, with or without p.a. support. Outdoors (three gigs since I got the Shuttle) I use two BagEnd's, 1x15. Awesome. The Shuttle moves a lot of air. Quite a bit. I am a big fan!
I play with a surf band that does only instrumentals (none of us are clever enough to sing and play at the same time). So our PA is minimal and only used for announcements and to mike the bass drum to add a bit of kick to the mix. We also play some places where the stage footage is minimal (not unusual, I know) and the small footprint of the 12T speakers, even stacked, is a real plus.
Here's the 6.0 on top of two 12T's - 600W into two 12's and only a footprint of 18 x 18 inches!!
Here's the 6.0 on top of two 12T's - 600W into two 12's and only a footprint of 18 x 18 inches!!
Hey, I'm happy with my 6.0 but I'm intrigued by the idea of trying different preamp tubes in it...just for fun, and not a very expensive change.
Who has changed the preamp tube - to what - and what was the result?
Who has changed the preamp tube - to what - and what was the result?
That's an Aria Diamond made in the Matsumoku factory. This one is an early model, a predecessor of the Univox Hi-Flyer series. Really the same bass under a different name. It has a super-light body...one of the lightest basses I've ever had. This one was in Germany at some time - there's a sticker on the headstock from a German music store.
It also has kind of a wacky bridge with more spacing between the A and D strings then between the E/A or the D/G.
My 6.0 is my main gigging amp, although I use my 3.0 for some jazz situations.
I got the 6.0 as the head on the 6.0/2-10T combo, and that's nice for some situations. But now I am using the following: passive Fender Jazz into an EBS ValveDrive into the 6.0 into a Schroeder 212 @ 4 ohms. This rig can overpower the rest of the band
and sounds great. 
I got the 6.0 as the head on the 6.0/2-10T combo, and that's nice for some situations. But now I am using the following: passive Fender Jazz into an EBS ValveDrive into the 6.0 into a Schroeder 212 @ 4 ohms. This rig can overpower the rest of the band
and sounds great. 
My 6.0 has been my main player for the last few years. She mainly stays at church where I just hook it up to a JBL monitor. I use the DI for the house and use the monitor as my cab. Gratefully the 6.0 makes the monitor sound ok. At home I use the 6.0 with a fearful cab I built. On gigs for another band I'm in I use it with an Ampeg svt 410hlf.
The 6.0 has never ran out of head room for me. It has been a great amp. I will keep it as long as it keeps working. Though I did just buy a LMII just to keep at home, but my 6.0 will always be my gigging amp!
The 6.0 has never ran out of head room for me. It has been a great amp. I will keep it as long as it keeps working. Though I did just buy a LMII just to keep at home, but my 6.0 will always be my gigging amp!
I use my 6.0 as my main amp aw well. I run it either with my NEOX212T which is quite loud or my NEOX112T for smaller gigs. I always run the DI to the board. I would like to sell the NEOX212T and get another 112T to simply use on bigger gigs.
My amp is usually just a great sounding stage monitor for me.
My amp is usually just a great sounding stage monitor for me.
Hmmmm...not as much love the Shuttle 6.0 as there is for the 9.0, evidently.
Voicing may be an issue - and perhaps power? I dunno. If a lot of you folks need more than 600W, you're playing much larger venues much louder than I am.
Voicing may be an issue - and perhaps power? I dunno. If a lot of you folks need more than 600W, you're playing much larger venues much louder than I am.
I love my 6.0.. I play it through 212 cabs.. One I leave at home and gig with.. it is 4 ohms.. the other I leave at church.. it is 8 ohms.. I am thinking of selling my 4 ohm 1212L though.. it's a great cab but I want to get something that is 8 ohms so I can combine it with my Avatar B212 if necessary.. The only reason I got the Avatar was because I needed something to leave at church, either that or lug my gear every week, and the price was right.. Once I saw that for what I do there wasn't much difference between the 8 ohm & 4 ohm cabs I began to seriously think about selling my Schro..
I like the 6.0 for it's simplicity, flexibility, portability and sound... I am a GB user for life at this point..
I like the 6.0 for it's simplicity, flexibility, portability and sound... I am a GB user for life at this point..
(FYI We Brits call tubes 'valves' - read on)
My Shuttle 6 went wonky a couple of weeks ago.
I was sitting 'tone-twiddling' (as one does) with the semi-parametric at just barely over conversational levels, and also playing with the valve-gain & pre-output when there was a buzz and the volume dropped about 70%.
I thought it was a glitch & turned it off. I turned it back on, but it still seemed 'feeble', but difficult to say in a bedroom situation.
When I played at the next practice I found it was severely curtailed in the total output volume department. The main output was clipping and the overdrive light was going on very early.
I opened it up & poked around but could find nothing visible.
I decided to change the valve on the off-chance. I had an unbranded 5751 in it as it's my tone-generator of choice. I realise now this was probably a failed/downgraded 12AX7 and could have been pretty ropey from the beginning. However, Myles Rose speaks highly of proper 5751's
The amp was still on at this time and I poked the bracket supporting the end of the valve, and got a big crackle in response - something obviously not right there, then.
I switched off, removed the offending valve & have replaced it with a NOS Mullard ECC83.
Now volume all returned & sounds magnificent. Putting the 5751 in my Laney valve amp produced much spluttering & background crunch. 5751 binned.
So, a valve with a dud side will drop your volume by at least half, but will still work, so don't panic if you get this symptom, just take the top off & replace the valve.
G.
My Shuttle 6 went wonky a couple of weeks ago.
I was sitting 'tone-twiddling' (as one does) with the semi-parametric at just barely over conversational levels, and also playing with the valve-gain & pre-output when there was a buzz and the volume dropped about 70%.
I thought it was a glitch & turned it off. I turned it back on, but it still seemed 'feeble', but difficult to say in a bedroom situation.
When I played at the next practice I found it was severely curtailed in the total output volume department. The main output was clipping and the overdrive light was going on very early.
I opened it up & poked around but could find nothing visible.
I decided to change the valve on the off-chance. I had an unbranded 5751 in it as it's my tone-generator of choice. I realise now this was probably a failed/downgraded 12AX7 and could have been pretty ropey from the beginning. However, Myles Rose speaks highly of proper 5751's
The amp was still on at this time and I poked the bracket supporting the end of the valve, and got a big crackle in response - something obviously not right there, then.
I switched off, removed the offending valve & have replaced it with a NOS Mullard ECC83.
Now volume all returned & sounds magnificent. Putting the 5751 in my Laney valve amp produced much spluttering & background crunch. 5751 binned.
So, a valve with a dud side will drop your volume by at least half, but will still work, so don't panic if you get this symptom, just take the top off & replace the valve.
G.
Glad to see this thread. I have yet to get one or even play on one but I know i am going to get one come tax time. Anyway I have a question or questions.
I currently own a Hartke HA3500 and at 8ohms it puts out like 175watts. I have 2 cabs, both Hartke's one is a 4x10 and one is a 1x15.
While i know that this amp will power these no problem, I'm just curious if the genz-benz cab by itself would out do what I have?
Also how do you guys setup your rigs with this amp. since its so light I'm wondering to rocking to obnoxiously you could pull the amp right off your stack. Any thoughts on this?
I currently own a Hartke HA3500 and at 8ohms it puts out like 175watts. I have 2 cabs, both Hartke's one is a 4x10 and one is a 1x15.
While i know that this amp will power these no problem, I'm just curious if the genz-benz cab by itself would out do what I have?
Also how do you guys setup your rigs with this amp. since its so light I'm wondering to rocking to obnoxiously you could pull the amp right off your stack. Any thoughts on this?
