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Genz Benz Shuttle Series Settings

#21
Here's my 9.0 story: Mine arived late Friday and I've had the chance to fiddle with it in my living room and at church Sunday. Details: I'm using it to power a Bergantino HS210 cab @ 8 ohms. Bass is a Sadowsky 5 PJ.

First Impressions:
Right out of the box is about where I've left it...with a bit of a goose on the bass freq. Really sounds great with the Bergantino HS210 at low levels. Had to fuss with it a bit to get a truly clean tone, however...in my room I heard some mild distortion from the HS210 drivers at higher volume levels and lower notes (especially around low F# and G...curiously better once I got down to the B string).

One thing I've noticed (after isolating rattles, hums and buzzes that were part of the room) is that a bit of compression before this amp really helps sharpen up a clean tone.

Current settings:
I have the Preamp Gain at about 10:00, Volume around 2:00 and Master volume around 2:00. With a straight line-in, I still get some breakup in what I would have hoped to have been a pretty much "clean" tone based on the settings and recommendations from the manual. Running through my Diamond Bass Compressor did the trick...focused the tone significantly to result in a very clean, punchy sound with no real breakup. Finally - the sound I was after!

Other Suggestions?
I'm liking what I hear now. Other suggestions for dialing in a loud, clean tone wth this amp/cab combination?

Thanks!!
 
#24
bellis1 said:
I need to purchase a compression, very badly. How are the diamond bass pedals?
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I've had quiet a few pedal and rack compressors - including DBX rack, Demeter Compulator and others. Diamond bass compressor is my pick of what I've tried. Note that I like a compressor to clean up the sound and add a bit of punch, not squeeze the sound to create a delivery that's more squishy than firm. YMMV based on your needs, but I'm a really happy owner of one of the first Diamond Bass Compressors to hit the market. Actually, its the longest-surviving pedal on my board after my Korg Pitchblack and Dunlop DC Brick power supply.

Other Diamond stuff: I've also had a Diamond chorus....which I wanted to love, but re-purchased an Analogman Chorus (for like the third time) because there is none like an Analogman. Also, I had a Diamond Phase pedal, which was also wonderful, but I didn't really use it enough to justify...so it too is gone.

If you try a Diamond Compressor, PM me or lead us to a thread to let me/us know what you think. A fine pedal by my assesment.


Cheers!
 
#25
zippydog said:
Here's my 9.0 story...
Other Suggestions?
I'm liking what I hear now. Other suggestions for dialing in a loud, clean tone wth this amp/cab combination?
Thanks!!
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hey zippydog,
as i understand it, it's difficult to get loud AND perfectly clean with this amp. in order to clean up the sound, you dial down the preamp. however, this will limit your ultimate volume. i believe, to get all the dB's this puppy is capable of, you must dial up the gain and prevolume which gives a bit of grit.

but it looks like you've already found this out.
 
#26
blakelock said:
hey zippydog,
as i understand it, it's difficult to get loud AND perfectly clean with this amp. in order to clean up the sound, you dial down the preamp. however, this will limit your ultimate volume. i believe, to get all the dB's this puppy is capable of, you must dial up the gain and prevolume which gives a bit of grit.

but it looks like you've already found this out.
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Thanks - I think I'm getting it sorted out, yes. I need to gig the thing a few more times, but it seems initially that I'm getting an acceptable amount of volume for my needs without too much grit for my tastes. Have a couple of new ideas from another thread that I'm going to mess with tonight as well.
 
#27
I think there may be some misunderstanding and misconception going on here with regard to gain and volume.

Zippydog, when you refer to straight line into the amp, and you hear break-up with gain at 10:00 position, this leads me to think that you are sending in a LINE level signal (+4dBu and greater) which could overdrive the front end even with the low gain setting. The instrument input of the amp is not scaled for true line level signal.

The gain and preamp volume are conjugate functions, as one goes up and the other goes down, the (overall) gain stays roughly the same (considering the effects of design tapers). This means that as you decrease the gain, you need to increase the volume to remain just constant. Then, to increase the signal levels, you can then increase the volume and master volume.

It is indeed possible to get full power from the amp without overdriving the amp. You also might want to double-check to see that you aren't hitting the output tube emulation limiter (output limit LED) and that the grit is not due to overdriving the speaker itself.
 
#29
There's almost 3dB more power at 4 ohms so there will (appear to) be 3dB more headroom.

Is your output limit LED flashing when you are close to hearing the grit?
 
#30
5StringPocket said:
How would the 9.0 EQ be set for a fEarful style 15/6/1 cab? It has the 3015LF woofer crossed to the 6ND410 mid driver at 640 Hz and the mid/high crossover at 4500 Hz. The mid is padded back -3.5 dB to match the woofer efficiency but the low end still needs a boost to sound good (full and not too mid forward).
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I actually don't love the Shuttle 9 with my LDS 15/6 fEarful style cab. Love the amp, love the cab, but just not together. Maybe I just haven't found the right EQ on the Shuttle for that cab.
 
#31
So far I've not found a cab that the 9.0 does not like. FWIW

I've run it through Ampeg 8x10, SWR 4x10, SWR 2X10, SWR 1x15, Berg 1x12 x2. I like the massive amount of low end the 9.0 produces into my Golight 1x15 at 8 ohms. With the two Berg HT112ER cabs it is insane what the two of them sound like with the 9.0.

The 9.0 is just a crazy thing of love for me. Such a great Amp.
 
#32
agedhorse said:
I think there may be some misunderstanding and misconception going on here with regard to gain and volume.

Zippydog, when you refer to straight line into the amp, and you hear break-up with gain at 10:00 position, this leads me to think that you are sending in a LINE level signal (+4dBu and greater) which could overdrive the front end even with the low gain setting. The instrument input of the amp is not scaled for true line level signal.

The gain and preamp volume are conjugate functions, as one goes up and the other goes down, the (overall) gain stays roughly the same (considering the effects of design tapers). This means that as you decrease the gain, you need to increase the volume to remain just constant. Then, to increase the signal levels, you can then increase the volume and master volume.

It is indeed possible to get full power from the amp without overdriving the amp. You also might want to double-check to see that you aren't hitting the output tube emulation limiter (output limit LED) and that the grit is not due to overdriving the speaker itself.
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Thanks, Agedhorse!
To be clear, I don't think I'm overdriving the amp - haven't lit up any of the lamps that would suggest this. I'm feeding it a signal either straight off my bass or through a couple of FX pedals... I think I just thought I could get cleaner sound from it at higher volumes (although the volumes I'm getting are more than I need for my use...so we're talking very fine points here).

Played around with it tonight and got louder clean tone by turning Gain back to 9:00 and Volume up to 4:00, Master volume up most of the way. For EQ, it was mostly flat with a small goose on bass and a small notch out from mids @ 1khz. This got me great, punchy clean tone. Nice! Still discovering the "best" way to get the most from this amp. Thanks all for your patience and suggestions as I discover this cool amp!
 
#36
After a week or so, I ran into a bit of a problem with my amp.

I was soundchecking for a gig last night, and the sound guy told me "turn your level down on your amp" I figured stage volume, so I turned it down more. He then said "no, not stage volume, your DI volume" so I walked to the back of the amp, and it hit me.

No XLR Level!! Why would you make an amp without one? It dissapointed me. Have you guys run into this problem yet? Or do you carry a DI with you?
 
#39
Line out is a hotter signal. Mic level signals are used most the time. This way you can push the input and not blow the soundboards channel. Or at least distort the living crap outta it.

ou really want Pre eq on the DI out too. As much as you migh think you want to give the soundman your dialed in eq..it doesnt work for what he/she is doing. Ive done sound as long as Ive played bass, so I learned the quick way that give the soundman a clean dry signal.

leave the ground where you have it. thats fine.
 
#40
bellis1 said:
I never understood the line/mic level switch. What exactly does it do? The way you're explaining it makes it seem like its a XLR Level Dial. Is that what it does?

The ground lift is always on, as well as pre EQ, and always on line level, not mic. Whats the difference?
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Line level is for fully professional consoles, ones that can accept both line level (approx 1.4 volts) and mic level (approx 0.01 volts). Many non-pro (expecially if they have the word "pro" or "ultra" in their model names) can not accept professional levels. Those are for the "big boy" consoles that those of you who tour or play more upscale venues are moel likely to encounter.

If you run into a sutuation where the sound guy can't handle line level, just switch to mic level and be done with it. That's what the switch is for.
 

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