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Genz Benz Streamliner, Part 10

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I had some neo experience early on that made me think - I don't like neos,, but I've since had some really, really great sounding neo cabs. Currently that's all I have. I think it's more about a bunch of factors that make a cab work or not, more than it's about the magnet material.

I played an Aguilar DB212 for a good while. Great cab (but very heavy). I would guess that's a good pair with the STL. The NV412 is also a monster - but pretty different voice from the Aggies. Never played any Epifani gear, but I know some guys who are big fans.

I think there's good gear out there that doesn't have to weigh a ton. It can just take a while to find what works for you sometimes. The STL 900 is scratching that itch for me right now giving me the sound I want that I was previously getting with some bigger / heavier amps.
 
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Thumpin6string said:
Maybe the Epi speaker/cab combo wasn't quite right. My first experience with neos was when I put a pair of Deltalites in my Carvin 2x10 combo. It blew my mind that these light weight speaker could pound out so much bass and it lightened the combo too. The B&Cs in the Epi seem to be in the same league as the Deltalites and the cabinet build is top notch. I also hear a lot of raves about the Genz neos. Lots of great light weight cabs out there to choose from. Maybe there is one that is suited for you. I know my 61 year old back appreciates them.:thumbsup:
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The Aguilar DB112NTs are plenty light enough for me. Compared to the two 75lb powered subs, two 3-way mains, and the 80+ pound case holding the PA power amp, speakons and XLRS, they’re a breeze to move. Luckily, I just recently got some help from other band mates, and I don’t have to load/transport all the PA components alone anymore. Although, I still do the bulk of the lifting part of the setup at the show.
 
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Thumpin6string said:
Lots of great light weight cabs out there to choose from. Maybe there is one that is suited for you. I know my 61 year old back appreciates them.:thumbsup:
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My Phil Jones cab has six 5" neo drivers in it. It also has wheels and a carry-on-luggage style extending handle. It's light enough for my 58 year old already-surgeried back to pick it up when I have to, but I often don't have to. Plus it sounds great. Those 5" speakers put out way more bass than you'd expect, and they're more articulate than just about anything else out there.

For anybody who's interested.
 
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As a Certifiable 68 year old "Geezer" I must RESPECTFULLY admit to finding many of the posts on TB very amusing....and this one is no exception. :) At my most Insane, around the age of 30, my Bass Rig consisted of 2 SVT Heads and 4 SVT Cabinets for my Bass, and a V4B head and Cabinet for my Taurus Pedals. It didn't matter if we were playing for an audience of 6 or 6,000, everything was dragged in, set up, used, taken down, I'd load my gear back in my van, drive back to our warehouse, unload......and that was simply the way life was.....but we made $$$.

I purchased my FIRST "Pedal", a Looper, exactly One year ago. It's the ONLY Pedal I'll ever buy ... or use. :) As the Years went by and my spine began talking to me I began to "Downgrade".....first to a GK 400RB with two cabinets and years later, after being introduced to Genz-Benz via the finest Combo I've ever owned, the NEO400, ended up with a Streamliner 900 and a pair of Aguilar 1x12's. Thing is, I no longer gig because I REFUSE to play for the contents of a "Tip Jar".

My Question? How many of you who can hear the Difference between one tube and another (he asks with Total Respect) are still gigging and...(this is the Biggie) how many plug into a Pedalboard?

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R Briere said:
I was hoping you'd see this. :) How many various tubes were tried and rejected before settling on what comes stock in the Streamliner? Do YOU happen to have a favorite?
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Quite a few, not just for tone but for reliability, freedom from microphonics and noise. The JJ ECC83 is the stock tube and the one that I still recommend, especially based on ~10 years of hindsight.
 
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R Briere said:
As a Certifiable 68 year old "Geezer" I must RESPECTFULLY admit to finding many of the posts on TB very amusing....and this one is no exception. :) At my most Insane, around the age of 30, my Bass Rig consisted of 2 SVT Heads and 4 SVT Cabinets for my Bass, and a V4B head and Cabinet for my Taurus Pedals. It didn't matter if we were playing for an audience of 6 or 6,000, everything was dragged in, set up, used, taken down, loaded back in my van, driven back to our warehouse, unloaded......and that was simply the way life was.....but we made $$$.
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I remember those days, except for the making money part. The advantages of a youthful body. My rig in my 20s was a Sunn Coliseum head into two Peavey 215 cabs. Not as insane as your rig though.

To answer your question about pedals, for me they're fun to mess around with sometimes, but I never use them when I play out.
 
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agedhorse said:
Quite a few, not just for tone but for reliability, freedom from microphonics and noise. The JJ ECC83 is the stock tube and the one that I still recommend, especially based on ~10 years of hindsight.
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Can you explain in layman's terms why the JAN 5751 in V1 seems to tighten up the low end on this amp? It seemed to get rid of the pillowy edge on the low end. Based on the 1000s of posts in the Streamliner tube rolling thread, this seems to be the consensus. Always nice to get input from one of the designers.
 
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Thumpin6string said:
Can you explain in layman's terms why the JAN 5751 in V1 seems to tighten up the low end on this amp? It seemed to get rid of the pillowy edge on the low end. Based on the 1000s of posts in the Streamliner tube rolling thread, this seems to be the consensus. Always nice to get input from one of the designers.
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I don't know why, perhaps the low frequency gain or transconductance is lower?
 
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Thumpin6string said:
Not what I expected, but thanks.
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Unfortunately, there are a lot of parameters, including mechanical parameters that are not as well understood as some of the gurus suggest. If they were so well understood, the tube industry wouldn't have the challenges it has.
 
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As I read this thread over the last 2 weeks I thought I'd give a NOS GE JAN 5751 a try in V1 (just for giggles and shiz).
On turning up the amp, all I could think was, WHERE DID MY STREAMLINER GO?
I put the stock tube back in and my Streamliner reappeared :thumbsup:. Phew.
I understand people wanting to diminish some drive and clean up the bottom, but there is a gain knob and a makeup-gain "volume" knob (quite handy and I'm not sure why other manufacturers haven't used this). Also, dropping the bass and increasing the mids @600 tames some of the wool without completely changing the character of the amp (which I absolutely LOVE and get compliments on whenever I play it).
G&L JB -> Streamliner -> Bergatino HDN210? Oh Yeah!
 
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