Hey, there's an echo in here...Hey Eric, you could go to a pre/power rig with a two channel power amp, and run both 4 ohm 212 cabs !
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Genz-Benz Streamliner Part 6
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My dealer received his order of Streamliner's today and he let me take both a 600 and 900 home for evaluation.
Running through a Mesa PH212.
As reported before by the GB guys there is no difference in tonal quality between the two. I had identical settings on both heads and kept my bass untouched between changes.
The main difference that I could determine was in the master volume control. In order to enable the same amplitude (to my ear) it required at least a 1/3 more increase on the 600. ie., 9 o'clock on 900 = 11:30 on the 600. (approx.) Even then, I felt that the bottom end push of the 900 was better. (not scientific but important to me).
I've decided to keep the 900 as the overhead margins are to my liking and I felt I did not have to push it to get the tone and amplitude I was after. Overall, the price difference over time is negligeable
Hope this helps if someone is considering either/or.
Cheers All.
Running through a Mesa PH212.
As reported before by the GB guys there is no difference in tonal quality between the two. I had identical settings on both heads and kept my bass untouched between changes.
The main difference that I could determine was in the master volume control. In order to enable the same amplitude (to my ear) it required at least a 1/3 more increase on the 600. ie., 9 o'clock on 900 = 11:30 on the 600. (approx.) Even then, I felt that the bottom end push of the 900 was better. (not scientific but important to me).
I've decided to keep the 900 as the overhead margins are to my liking and I felt I did not have to push it to get the tone and amplitude I was after. Overall, the price difference over time is negligeable
Hope this helps if someone is considering either/or.
Cheers All.
This may have been asked at some point during the 6 threads but, does anyone know if the Streamliner has any resemblance to the Eden WT400? Or would the Eden be more similar to the Shuttle series? Or, no resemblance what so ever?
The Shuttle amps are MUCH closer to the WT400 vibe than the Streamliner, which is a totally different thing.
IMO, the closest amp in the Genz line in tone and features and volume output to the WT400 or WT550 is the Shuttle Max 6. The Genz will be a bit 'brighter and tighter' than the WT400, but IMO it is in the same tonal universe.
thanks KJung. I've had a WT400 for a few years now and really like it but it's been unreliable. I don't think the CS the genz guys have shown here can be beat...
My WT400 sounds and feels transparent and ladylike compared to the SL900. The low end and low mids just can't get the thickness. They sound VERY different to me. The Eden has much more eq control, but the SL sounds much better to me.
By "transparent", I don't mean uncolored. I mean that in comparison, the WT400 sound quality is thin and lacking a bit of body, even when boosting lows and mids.
By "transparent", I don't mean uncolored. I mean that in comparison, the WT400 sound quality is thin and lacking a bit of body, even when boosting lows and mids.
@Smeet - So I gather from your post that the Streamliner is a nice step up from the WT400? Right now I'm playing a GL L1000 with the Eden thru two Ampeg SVT15 cabs (which I think I'm stuck with for a while) playing in a psychedelic reggae/rock band.
Just to continue putting my 2 cents in, I would not necessarily call the Streamliner a step up, but rather a very different thing... much more tubey and fat and smooth... like a tube amp or an Aguilar DB750 or a Mesa MPulse600, etc.
The Eden WT400 is much more solid state sounding, even though it does have a tube in the pre. That is kind of the vibe of the Shuttle and Shuttle Max heads.... brighter, tighter, 'quicker' feeling, etc. Again, the Shuttle Max 6 would be the closest Genz model (IMO) to your WT400. It has similar semi-parametric mids, a variable contour/enhance control, and if you blend the tube and FET pre and mess around with the EQ, you should be able to get quite close to your Eden WT400 tone.
Here's a potential 'contempt prior to investigation' concern regarding an SL900.
I never got a sound I liked from a DB750 and there are a lot of parallels and comparisons here asking if the SL900 will do the DB750 thing. Every time I played through a DB750 I felt it was way too wooly for me. The caveat is that I've 'listened' to plenty of players through a DB750 (live and recorded) and they sounded awesome! So what do I know? I'll have to find out for myself.
What is perhaps the more useful parallel in comparison and contrast is the SL900 compared to Mesa M6/M9 Carbine. I have read plenty of comments from those here who have both so I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. Or even an "Aged-horse" for that matter.
Just wondering if there is enough sparkling sweet clarity in the SL900, with the potential for tight, focused punchy low end with enough complex midrange to cut through the mix. I seriously need to find out for myself.
End of Rhetoric. (or is it?)
I never got a sound I liked from a DB750 and there are a lot of parallels and comparisons here asking if the SL900 will do the DB750 thing. Every time I played through a DB750 I felt it was way too wooly for me. The caveat is that I've 'listened' to plenty of players through a DB750 (live and recorded) and they sounded awesome! So what do I know? I'll have to find out for myself.
What is perhaps the more useful parallel in comparison and contrast is the SL900 compared to Mesa M6/M9 Carbine. I have read plenty of comments from those here who have both so I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. Or even an "Aged-horse" for that matter.
Just wondering if there is enough sparkling sweet clarity in the SL900, with the potential for tight, focused punchy low end with enough complex midrange to cut through the mix. I seriously need to find out for myself.
End of Rhetoric. (or is it?)
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No, it does not. The aux in is summed to the FX rtn signal at that point but the DI post send is right before the summing. You are correct that it's not clear due to the basic level of detail shown in the block diagram.
Here's a potential 'contempt prior to investigation' concern regarding an SL900.
I never got a sound I liked from a DB750 and there are a lot of parallels and comparisons here asking if the SL900 will do the DB750 thing. Every time I played through a DB750 I felt it was way too wooly for me. The caveat is that I've 'listened' to plenty of players through a DB750 (live and recorded) and they sounded awesome! So what do I know? I'll have to find out for myself.
What is perhaps the more useful parallel in comparison and contrast is the SL900 compared to Mesa M6/M9 Carbine. I have read plenty of comments from those here who have both so I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. Or even an "Aged-horse" for that matter.
Just wondering if there is enough sparkling sweet clarity in the SL900, with the potential for tight, focused punchy low end with enough complex midrange to cut through the mix. I seriously need to find out for myself.
End of Rhetoric. (or is it?)
If you really don't like the DB750, and you really dig the M6/M9, IMO, you would be better off with the GK MBFusion500 (or possibly the Max 9.2)
Words like 'tight and focused' don't really come to mind for me with the Streamliner.... fat, creamy, smooth, big, are 'better' descriptors. It really is quite a different thing than most other hybrids, and sounds 'better but in the same tonal universe' to me as the DB750 and Mesa MPulse600.
Just to follow on from what Ken has been saying re: the Mesa MPulse, I broadly agree but IMO the MPulse was a little too thick for my tastes. The Streamliner is noticeably more defined and controllable. IME.
I would agree with this, but I'll add that although the Streamliner is not the definition of "fast and focused", I feel that in the mix it does have focus, maybe more than the WT400, in that I can clearly hear the fundamental pitch and tone and also exactly where the note starts and ends.
It has a bigness and fullness like the DB750, but it is very controllable, and not wooly-sounding to my ear.
From your description of psychedelic reggae/rock I would think the Streamliner would work really well for you. But... you have to play it and judge for yourself as with any amp. Case in point: I briefly tried out one of the Shuttles and didn't like it at all, whereas many around here swear by them.
I have an Eden WT400 and a Shuttle 6.0, and have recently made the decision to sell the Shuttle 6.0 and buy a SL600.
I A/B's both WT400 and 6.0 at an outdoor gig, through the Bergie mini stack (HT112/EX112). The Eden got the call
But since I always take two amps to a show, I will get a better chance to replace the Eden hopefully this time around. While the Shuttle 6.0 had more volume, it also was cleaner and didn't have the kind of low end I need
I A/B's both WT400 and 6.0 at an outdoor gig, through the Bergie mini stack (HT112/EX112). The Eden got the call
But since I always take two amps to a show, I will get a better chance to replace the Eden hopefully this time around. While the Shuttle 6.0 had more volume, it also was cleaner and didn't have the kind of low end I need
just to be clear, the way i read it, the comparison was between the eden and a *shuttlemax 6.0*, not the shuttle 6.0
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