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Genz Streamliner 900 and TC RH450 Comparison

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#163
Ken's policy is stricter than California's three strike law. It's a shame that we won't be seeing Ken make more videos of this amp. I was dying to request vid. of the Streamliner played through the Thunderchild. I really hope Ken would give GB one more chance.
 
#164
Hey guys. Well, this has all gone to hell.

I'm going to ask the mods if they can just delete this thread, and then somone can post links to my clips on the Streamliner mega thread.

Assuming my issues were tube related, it is of very little interest to anyone that dealing with tube issues is not my thing, and that maybe I should have known better at the beginning.

I again think the Streamliner clips I put up sound wonderful. So, if someone would just post a link to them in the mega thread, we can close this whole issue and just move on.
 
#165
KJung said:
Hey guys. Well, this has all gone to hell.

I'm going to ask the mods if they can just delete this thread, and then somone can post links to my clips on the Streamliner mega thread.

Assuming my issues were tube related, it is of very little interest to anyone that dealing with tube issues is not my thing, and that maybe I should have known better at the beginning.

I again think the Streamliner clips I put up sound wonderful. So, if someone would just post a link to them in the mega thread, we can close this whole issue and just move on.
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I don't think the whole thread needs to be deleted. Just where the flaming started. This is a useful thread for someone who is considering both amps, like myself. And if there is an issue, if it be an isolated incident or a bigger problem, it could be helpful in finding out what happened.
 
#166
dDaddybass said:
I don't think the whole thread needs to be deleted. Just where the flaming started. This is a useful thread for someone who is considering both amps, like myself. And if there is an issue, if it be an isolated incident or a bigger problem, it could be helpful in finding out what happened.
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I agree.

Ken, I'm sorry man if I've caused any sort of trouble, but somebody needs to stand up for logic and stand against unfounded and ridiculous claims.

As far as I'm concerned I'm not sticking up for Ken, just logical thought process.

I'll say no more.

:D

God Bless, Ray
 
#167
I don't blame Ken at all, in fact, I did the same thing when I got two bad Carvin BX500 heads when they first came out. I initially liked the head, but both of them had problems and I did'nt trust them after that. GK went through this kind of thing with the MB500. It happens. I decided to wait at least a year when something new comes out before I buy.
 
#168
During Kens comparison between the RH and SL what I heard in the RH is a quality in the tone that I think is the reason I really don't care for solid state. It sounded good, don't get me wrong, but in my choice of words slightly boxy - less lively IDK. I hear it in my LMIII as well as my Tfunk 550 and is the reason I sometimes add effects to get roundness back. All in all it solidified my decision to pickup a Streamliner and wait for it patiently still.
 
#169
I just went back and watched your video again Ken, good stuff. I tried a GB STL 900 Friday through a Quad, very impressive. I also like the RH450. With that said, I can't wait for my GB STL 600 to get to Rocket Music. I'm sure I will be happy running this through a Bergantino HT122ER.
 
#172
Maybe Rocket Music can answer this one. How does the SL600 compare with the RH450 in terms of actual volume? Of course the SL is rated higher, but it has been said that the RH is a very conservative 450 watts and really cranks. When pushed, how do they compare either at 8 ohms or 4 ohms?
 
#173
This is for Ken - hey Ken!

In your Streamliner demo, you played Cissy Strut. I did a gig with Leo Nocentelli, an original member of The Meters, and the guy who wrote Cissy Strut. He asked me if I knew the riff. I've been playing it on gigs for thirty years, so of course I said yes. He said, "Play it". I played it exactly the way you did. He said, "Wrong, everybody plays it wrong". And f course he was right. So what's wrong about it?

In the second part (the "B" part), you played "C, Bb-C-Bb-G, C, Bb". In fact, the second note should be a "G", not a "Bb". Check it out on the original recording.

Coincidentally, I played this song on a gig last night, with a great guitar player that I have been working with for over thirty years. We have played this song countless times, wrong. We both play it the right way now, but always look at each other and laugh, knowing that we played it wrong for thirty years.

Sorry about the thread side-track here, lol.
 
#174
mark107 said:
This is for Ken - hey Ken!

In your Streamliner demo, you played Cissy Strut. I did a gig with Leo Nocentelli, an original member of The Meters, and the guy who wrote Cissy Strut. He asked me if I knew the riff. I've been playing it on gigs for thirty years, so of course I said yes. He said, "Play it". I played it exactly the way you did. He said, "Wrong, everybody plays it wrong". And f course he was right. So what's wrong about it?

In the second part (the "B" part), you played "C, Bb-C-Bb-G, C, Bb". In fact, the second note should be a "G", not a "Bb". Check it out on the original recording.

Coincidentally, I played this song on a gig last night, with a great guitar player that I have been working with for over thirty years. We have played this song countless times, wrong. We both play it the right way now, but always look at each other and laugh, knowing that we played it wrong for thirty years.

Sorry about the thread side-track here, lol.
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:D I remember that issue of everyone playing this wrong. I played this for a few years with a guitarist who I guess played it wrong also. Thanks for the tip! I was just trying to come up with something 'P Bass appropriate'.

You should hear what I do to Brazilian Love Affair and Watermelon man:eek::hmm::rollno::D
 
#176
Folks, esp Lil Ray (and I love ya, lil guy) please chill.

Redplanet and Ken are both adults. Ken doesn't need to be protected, especially not by bashing peeps who seem critical of him.

If you read the other thread, Redplanet contributed some pretty nice, factual, well reasoned stuff - including a great early review before Ken got his amp. And Ken, of course, has provided some great gear reviews.

Red also appears to be a tube roller. Some folks are. Just like folks who will buy a new car and put in new, higher performance components - doesn't mean the stock ones suck, just means that those folks dig messing around and trying to get the extra few percent of performance out of their gear.

Is it wrong to be a tube roller/performance tuner? Nah, IMO.
Is it wrong to not want to mess with things? and to have a "I don't want gear that will probably need maintenance" attitude? Also nah, IMO.
Ken has said in the past - he's an SS kind of guy. Good SS tends to be pretty bulletproof. So that meets his needs, and that's cool.

Both positions have merit.

If you take the vitriol out of your reading of Red's statement, there's truth and merit in that. If you gig a tube amp, you'd better be prepared to swap out tubes (or carry a backup amp with you). That's pretty straightforward and, I think, true. Sounds to me like Ken would rather not play a tube amp, for that reason. No harm, no foul, in that.

So let's all take a chill pill on the personal stuff, and get back to playing good music through great gear - which, IMO, this streamliner is.
 
#177
adivin said:
Maybe Rocket Music can answer this one. How does the SL600 compare with the RH450 in terms of actual volume? Of course the SL is rated higher, but it has been said that the RH is a very conservative 450 watts and really cranks. When pushed, how do they compare either at 8 ohms or 4 ohms?
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I don't think Greg has actually unboxed a 600 yet. I'm waiting for the next shipment of 600 to arrive. I plan to A/B these two when it does, just out of curiousity.
 
#178
KJung said:
Hey guys. Just wanted to post up once more that I'm really sorry creating this 'tempest in a teapot'. I tend to agree with the guys who say a tube swap would most probably have taken care of the issue. As you can hear from my clips and Greg's, the tone of this amp is totally, completely killer, and is 'the sound in my head' with my P Bass. Literally.

I will look forward to seeing many posts of successful usage of this amp, and also to hear from Genz if in fact my units were just simple faulty tubes and that I had incredible bad luck.

That being said, whether rational or irrational, tubes have always made me a bit skweemish regarding reliability (i.e., if they fail by getting bumped around in the UPS truck, is that any different than getting bumped around in an equipment van?), and my idea of fun and happiness is to NOT ever have to open the top of an amp (much less a brand new one) for any reason... ever... period. That's just me, for better or worse. I was just not comfortable (in my case) assuming that a tube swap would permanently fix the issue at this point for me.

I like the tone and design enough that my guess is, I will get back in down the road. Simply amazing sounding box.
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So, Ken: no biggie. All that makes sense. I think that some of us were simply hoping you would find a way to make the amp work for you; that's all. What you are mostly reading here is at least part frustration.

Yup, dealing with tubes is kind of like changing tires on a bicycle, if you do a lot of riding. You just have to be prepared for it. And, trust me, here in AZ I change a lot of tires!!!! Not like MI at all.
 
#179
mark107 said:
This is for Ken - hey Ken!

In your Streamliner demo, you played Cissy Strut. I did a gig with Leo Nocentelli, an original member of The Meters, and the guy who wrote Cissy Strut. He asked me if I knew the riff. I've been playing it on gigs for thirty years, so of course I said yes. He said, "Play it". I played it exactly the way you did. He said, "Wrong, everybody plays it wrong". And f course he was right. So what's wrong about it?

In the second part (the "B" part), you played "C, Bb-C-Bb-G, C, Bb". In fact, the second note should be a "G", not a "Bb". Check it out on the original recording.

Coincidentally, I played this song on a gig last night, with a great guitar player that I have been working with for over thirty years. We have played this song countless times, wrong. We both play it the right way now, but always look at each other and laugh, knowing that we played it wrong for thirty years.

Sorry about the thread side-track here, lol.
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Ha ha, that's funny. I almost said something about that but I didn't want people to take it the wrong way. Actually, something is not kosher about the A part either. If you play it in the original key, you should be in third position the whole time with just a fourth finger reach to the Eb.
 
#180
I'm guessing GB may have gotten a bad batch of tubes. It happens. No reason for preamp tubes to go south from shipping and handling unless you punt the amp across the room; they are not that fragile. Even power tubes can take a reasonable amount of abuse if they are cool - i.e. not banging them around right after you shut down.
 
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