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Genzler Amplification Club

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I had a couple of conversations with Jeff before I bought my MG800/BA12-3 rig. As usual I didn't listen.

I played a friends MG800 and loved it. I only need an amp for home practice and some occasional background jazz music gigs. I had a Shuttle 3.0-10 with another 10 under it. It was almost perfect. I wanted a little more low and a touch more volume for occasional outside jazz gigs. Jeff told me that the new Magellan 350 Combo (for sure with anther 10-2) would sound much better than my old shuttle and be loud enough (probably) for outdoor jazz gigs with a "musical" drummer, vibe and guitar player.

I decided to go big or go home and went MG800 and BA12-3. It's fine. Sounds amazing and shakes the house and fills the church, but I only practice at home at low volumes, and I go DI/IEM for church and my cover band.

Oh well. It's not like its a bad rig, just more than I need. If I could trade it for a Magellan 350 combo plus cash I think I would.
 
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I've been using 1 of the 210-3 arrays and Genzler 800 t several churches lately without PA support. I always play with a full band and loud drummer lol. I've never had the volume past 12 and with my bass volume about half so I have plenty of violume on tap. The 210 arrays are amazing.
 
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RColie said:
So, questions:
- How does the BA12-3 compare to a pair of BA10-2s in terms of volume and depth (low bass response)?
- With the BA12-3 on the floor is it difficult to hear the mids/highs, or is it best tilted or raised up?
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I can't speak to the first question but IME, a single 12-3 does need to either be tilted upward, on a stand, or better yet, some of both, especially if you're standing close to the cab. The trade-off of the additional horizontal dispersion is less vertical. I play mine on a stand Invalid Link Removed virtually all of the time.
 
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Djadja said:
I can't speak to the first question but IME, a single 12-3 does need to either be tilted upward, on a stand, or better yet, some of both, especially if you're standing close to the cab. The trade-off of the additional horizontal dispersion is less vertical. I play mine on a stand Invalid Link Removed virtually all of the time.
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I guess it does depend on how close you are - I find it hard to hear when my ankles are next to the speakers but as soon as I get 4-5 feet away - no problem hearing it even with a loud drummer and guitar. no tilt no stand...
Having said that - I haven't tried the stand and it may be even better with. Saving up for a stand... Another BA12-3 :bassist:
 
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Loring said:
I guess it does depend on how close you are - I find it hard to hear when my ankles are next to the speakers but as soon as I get 4-5 feet away - no problem hearing it even with a loud drummer and guitar. no tilt no stand...
Having said that - I haven't tried the stand and it may be even better with. Saving up for a stand... Another BA12-3 :bassist:
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The perfect stand
 
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Thanks to all for your responses thus far! I'm still on the fence but leaning slightly, and only slightly, toward the BA12-3, because the only way I'll know how it sounds is to try one (and none locally that I know of to try). That way I could try putting the BA10-2 on top of the BA12-3 and see how that works...I've seen reports on this thread that it sounds very good. Decisions, decisions...

If Mr. Genzler would like to weigh in that would be superb.

Bob
 
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Djadja said:
I can't speak to the first question but IME, a single 12-3 does need to either be tilted upward, on a stand, or better yet, some of both, especially if you're standing close to the cab. The trade-off of the additional horizontal dispersion is less vertical. I play mine on a stand Invalid Link Removed virtually all of the time.
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I use a stand as well for my BA 12-3. I have it on the floor for practices and I have to say it sounds better, fuller, deeper when I have it raised on the stand.
 
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RColie said:
That's an interesting idea and would allow even more flexibility. Three of the BA10-2s would make a nice arc and I would certainly be able to hear what I'm playing. The key question is if the coupling of 2 or 3 BA10-2s will provide a deep solid tone similar to the BA12-3 or BA210-3.
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Pretty sure the sonic impact would Feel a bit different in the bottom couple of octaves - probably with a bit less extension at the bottom (for some people, that's a good thing - for others, not so much).
12 of those mid/tweets has to project Really well - so that would be different.
Depends on the tone & feel you're looking for.

I used to play a vertical 3x10 cab that was incredible - different thing altogether, but I have a soft spot in my heart for that configuration.

If I went with the 2x112 or the 210/112, I'd probably want them about 10" to 12" up off the floor (for that matter, I did as well with the 3x10 & currently do with a 2x115)
 
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RColie said:
Thanks to all for your responses thus far! I'm still on the fence but leaning slightly, and only slightly, toward the BA12-3, because the only way I'll know how it sounds is to try one (and none locally that I know of to try). That way I could try putting the BA10-2 on top of the BA12-3 and see how that works...I've seen reports on this thread that it sounds very good. Decisions, decisions...

If Mr. Genzler would like to weigh in that would be superb.

Bob
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Hey Bob,
Sorry for the delay---crazy day, all day. If stage footprint is not a huge concern I'd lean towards a BA12-3 with a BA10-2 cab. I've seen more and more players go this route and it is a great combination. Our endorse Dave Pomeroy from Nashville is using this very cab combination with his MG 800. Loves it for both upright and downright bass. This does give you a great flexibility of options for various gigs. I hope this helps.
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
Hey Bob,
Sorry for the delay---crazy day, all day. If stage footprint is not a huge concern I'd lean towards a BA12-3 with a BA10-2 cab. I've seen more and more players go this route and it is a great combination. Our endorse Dave Pomeroy from Nashville is using this very cab combination with his MG 800. Loves it for both upright and downright bass. This does give you a great flexibility of options for various gigs. I hope this helps.
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Hi Jeff,
Yes, your opinion certainly helps! I think you've moved me to trying the 12-3 underneath my 10-2. I appreciate your input, and no worries about the delay responding.
I'll report back with my impressions of the 10-2/12-3 rig. And thanks also to Erik Turkman for his feedback on this same combination.

Bob
 
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Jeff's opinion is one to take seriously but I just want to add that I had a single BA12-3 and it was great, really great but I added a second BA12-3 and goodgooglymoogly what a set up. So great that my Berg NV215, that I swore I'd never, ever, sell is now for sale. So, there you go.
 
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FunkySpoo said:
Jeff's opinion is one to take seriously but I just want to add that I had a single BA12-3 and it was great, really great but I added a second BA12-3 and goodgooglymoogly what a set up. So great that my Berg NV215, that I swore I'd never, ever, sell is now for sale. So, there you go.
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That's straight past the triple dog dare and straight to the "goodgooglemoogly" dare! Almost have enough gig money saved up for the 2nd BA 12. Can't wait. Going to try to have it for the New Years Eve gig.
 
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RColie said:
Hi Steve,

Yes, I was following your train of thought on this thread to see which way you decided to go. I don't anticipate having much access to PA support or in-ears but I also don't anticipate overly loud gigs. I'm thinking small to medium venues, and outdoor gigs would be along the lines of wineries.

Bob
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I'm going to play devil's advocate. Another 10-2. Those little cabs sound soooooo good.

I think for what you're doing the 10-2 stack will be perfect.
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
Hey Bob,
Sorry for the delay---crazy day, all day. If stage footprint is not a huge concern I'd lean towards a BA12-3 with a BA10-2 cab. I've seen more and more players go this route and it is a great combination. Our endorse Dave Pomeroy from Nashville is using this very cab combination with his MG 800. Loves it for both upright and downright bass. This does give you a great flexibility of options for various gigs. I hope this helps.
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Jeff,

This combination has been feeding my GAS in a significant way. That additional flexibility really is grabbing me. I’m even thinking that going with the entire combo would increase my flexibility that much more - six possible combinations plus one rig at home and one at church... My questions have to do with the mismatch of output from the two cabs and of power handling capability when running them together... I’m not quite sure how to phrase my questions/concerns. Obviously, one couldn’t expect to give them the same amount of power that one would give two BA12-3’s, but how worried would I need to be? Likewise I assume you aren’t getting the same synergy that you get from adding a second BA12-3 but does the smaller cab still do some of the magic that comes from another BA12 so you still end up with “more” than with the single BA12? Any issues that I should consider that I’m not?

Thanks for your input. I expect I’m speaking for more than myself when I tell you how much your presence here is appreciated.
 
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Turn Em Loose said:
I'm going to play devil's advocate. Another 10-2. Those little cabs sound soooooo good.

I think for what you're doing the 10-2 stack will be perfect.
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I was leaning in the direction of adding the 12-3, but your comment and further thought is putting me right back at 50/50. I actually started shopping around for purchasing both a 10-2 and a 12-3. It's great to have such good choices but makes the decisions tough!

Bob
 
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Djadja said:
Jeff,

This combination has been feeding my GAS in a significant way. That additional flexibility really is grabbing me. I’m even thinking that going with the entire combo would increase my flexibility that much more - six possible combinations plus one rig at home and one at church... My questions have to do with the mismatch of output from the two cabs and of power handling capability when running them together... I’m not quite sure how to phrase my questions/concerns. Obviously, one couldn’t expect to give them the same amount of power that one would give two BA12-3’s, but how worried would I need to be? Likewise I assume you aren’t getting the same synergy that you get from adding a second BA12-3 but does the smaller cab still do some of the magic that comes from another BA12 so you still end up with “more” than with the single BA12? Any issues that I should consider that I’m not?

Thanks for your input. I expect I’m speaking for more than myself when I tell you how much your presence here is appreciated.
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I think with the 10-2 on top with its upward slant you'd hear that cab quite well so if you're driving the stack with the MG800 you just need to keep an ear on the 10-2 output so it doesn't get stressed.

A while back Erik Turkman gave a very detailed description of his experience with the 10-2 / 12-3 combo, and didn't mention any concerns with stressing the 10-2.

Of course I'd like to hear Jeff's take as well.

Bob
 

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