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#4,961
Discount Saint said:
I have a question about recording through the MG800. My band is starting on our first record, and we've been experimenting with different recording techniques. For some reason, my bass signal is always causing trouble with clipping at our recording interface, even with the volume very low. Not sure if there is any way around that - I've already switched it from Mic level to Line level, which helped, but it's still a bit of a tough balance.

The weird thing that happened last night is that I had switched my EQ from post to pre, and suddenly there was a massive volume increase, which I don't really understand at all. Is it normal for pre-EQ to be way louder than post? My EQ is not set anything wacky, and certainly nothing that should affect the volume to that degree.
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This is my recommendation ---- If your signal is too hot into the mixing board I would make sure that your INPUT pad is IN on the front end and use the MIC selection on the DI. If you want to use your DI in the POST position then you can also turn down the INPUT level on the front of the amp --- which you can turn your signal all the way off with that setting since that position is also post GAIN control on the front end. Also, I would think that there should be a way to pad your signal into the recording console.
Are you running your EQ up on your bass preamp up at all?
One general thought is that you might want to run your bass as flat as possible and let the recording engineer/mixer tailor the tone as it gets to the recording.
You also might want to run on 2 tracks, one very dry and the other more EQ'd as you like it and then blend in the recording process.

Just some additional thoughts.
 
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#4,962
Nightman said:
:laugh: I feel you!!! But I still own the BA410-3 and need to power it when needed. However, had I owned the combo first, maybe I would have opted not to get the MG800 or BA410-3..... but that's a BIG maybe!
I do a lot of gigs with no FOH support, so I have to compensate for that and my MG800 with the BA410-3 is the COMPENSATOR!! :thumbsup:
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Most of my gigs are without FOH and challenge is the array is so good it dominates the stage mix and it also throws further out than our mains ( Older Yorkville's) so it' tough for me to set my volume where I like it.
Would love to add the BA410 but it would I fear be too much for my current project.
Guess if I had unlimited GAS budget I would add a pair of the new 210-3s and a 350 combo, 410 if I score a much bigger project.
 
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#4,964
Jeff Genzler said:
"....You also might want to run on 2 tracks, one very dry and the other more EQ'd as you like it and then blend in the recording process...."

Just some additional thoughts.
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The whole response is just awesome. I didn't think of your last suggestion and I think its very useful. With all the capabilities at our finger tips adding this suggestion is very easy to do.
 
#4,965
Jeff Genzler said:
This is my recommendation ---- If your signal is too hot into the mixing board I would make sure that your INPUT pad is IN on the front end and use the MIC selection on the DI. If you want to use your DI in the POST position then you can also turn down the INPUT level on the front of the amp --- which you can turn your signal all the way off with that setting since that position is also post GAIN control on the front end. Also, I would think that there should be a way to pad your signal into the recording console.
Are you running your EQ up on your bass preamp up at all?
One general thought is that you might want to run your bass as flat as possible and let the recording engineer/mixer tailor the tone as it gets to the recording.
You also might want to run on 2 tracks, one very dry and the other more EQ'd as you like it and then blend in the recording process.

Just some additional thoughts.
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Hey Jeff, thanks for the suggestions. I have been running the DI in POST, but thought it might be better to run in PRE instead, but when I did that the volume went WAY up. If the PRE setting is also pre-gain, that would make sense because I had my gain and channel volume turned way down already.

If I understand that correctly does that mean that in PRE, my gain and channel volume aren't actually being factored in, or just the gain?

I do run my bass fairly flat, EQ-wise, but I do have pedals that are affecting things to some degree. I do have more or less unity gain set in my pedalboard, however, so I'm still a little stumped why things are so hot. I'll try the pad on the front and see if that solves it.
 
#4,966
Jeff Genzler said:
This is my recommendation ---- If your signal is too hot into the mixing board I would make sure that your INPUT pad is IN on the front end and use the MIC selection on the DI. If you want to use your DI in the POST position then you can also turn down the INPUT level on the front of the amp --- which you can turn your signal all the way off with that setting since that position is also post GAIN control on the front end. Also, I would think that there should be a way to pad your signal into the recording console.
Are you running your EQ up on your bass preamp up at all?
One general thought is that you might want to run your bass as flat as possible and let the recording engineer/mixer tailor the tone as it gets to the recording.
You also might want to run on 2 tracks, one very dry and the other more EQ'd as you like it and then blend in the recording process.

Just some additional thoughts.
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Oh yeah, and I am also planning on recording with probably 3 separate tracks. One mic'd from my cabs, one DI out of the MG800 (wet signal with effects, etc), and one dry track probably out from my Empress Compressor's side chain which is before all of my effects.
 
#4,967
Discount Saint said:
I have a question about recording through the MG800. My band is starting on our first record, and we've been experimenting with different recording techniques. For some reason, my bass signal is always causing trouble with clipping at our recording interface, even with the volume very low. Not sure if there is any way around that - I've already switched it from Mic level to Line level, which helped, but it's still a bit of a tough balance.

The weird thing that happened last night is that I had switched my EQ from post to pre, and suddenly there was a massive volume increase, which I don't really understand at all. Is it normal for pre-EQ to be way louder than post? My EQ is not set anything wacky, and certainly nothing that should affect the volume to that degree.
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Line level is hotter than mic level so when you say you switched to line level - do you mean on your genzler (louder) or on your interface (effectively quieter as it requires a hotter signal). Pre can be louder if you have your gain way too low in the first place on your head. I take mine to clipping then back off about an eighth of a turn - puts me around the 12 o’clock position
 
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Discount Saint said:
Oh yeah, and I am also planning on recording with probably 3 separate tracks. One mic'd from my cabs, one DI out of the MG800 (wet signal with effects, etc), and one dry track probably out from my Empress Compressor's side chain which is before all of my effects.
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The side chain is for triggering the compression not for output. It does have a blend knob however for New York style compression
 
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#4,969
Nightman said:
So, you guys may recall the request I made about getting a chance to check out the 350 Combo and Jeff giving me that chance.

From my initial sound test the little combo is a monster!!! OMG!! How did they do that?

I'm going to spend some time comparing this combo with some other gear and then stacked on my BA12-3.


The acid test for me is next Friday at our gig, but so far, I can believe everything that has been said about this little BIG combo!!
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LOL! I have seriously been waiting for your impressions...it is pretty freaking amazing, isn't it?

I had mine out yesterday in the living room trying to gauge whether or not it would handle an upcoming gig all by itself...no question that it would...I just stood there shaking my head at the huge amount of sound coming out of that little thing!
 
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@roc51 - Yes! It did surprise me as I was initially thinking, as I was unpacking it, that this is too small to be anything but a practice rig. It was too light, and with the amp and hardware attached. It is quite deceiving!!
I have a rehearsal tomorrow with the band for the Friday gig. We don’t rehearse at the gig volume, so I’m taking the combo to see how it does.
I don’t like the fact that there is no cover for it. And the tilt forward thing is somewhat awkward with the bottom front hitting first. Got to be careful with that and use two hands to set it down (since I promised not to damage it!).
 
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Nightman said:
@roc51 - Yes! It did surprise me as I was initially thinking, as I was unpacking it, that this is too small to be anything but a practice rig. It was too light, and with the amp and hardware attached. It is quite deceiving!!
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When I first got the 350 combo in and extra 10-2 cab I thought the same thing. I made sure to hold onto the box because I just knew I would be sending it back. Then I played through it 2-3 times that weekend at different churches and it blew me away. I remember the first time I used it at a Forum filling in with a. Band for a community revival. The place holds 4-5000 people and had a smaller PA. I packed it in and the Sound Engineers hired to do this event looked me down good as if what is this little rig. I talked them into trying my DI out instead of their preferred Box standard. After the sound check was over all 3 guys come up having to check out this Genzler rig they hadn’t heard of before. Commented how that was the best bass tone nd how it sounded so good lol. I’ve played in the past at this place with other bands using Mark bass, Ampeg SVT Rigs and others and never did it sound as good as that day and weekend using that Genzler 350 stack. I went and sold my other Genzler 800 heads and arrays and now only use the simplicity 350 stacks. I have 2-350 heads and 4 of the 10-2 arrays. One is kept full time at the church I play film time at and the other is my travel rig. I have played so many churches, outside, and other venues with them and they have killed every time. My bass amp Gas has been over since I was introduced to Genzler gear.
 
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#4,975
SteveC said:
Now maybe people won’t think I’m off my rocker when I say I gig with an MG350 Combo - even without a 2nd cab!
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I can certainly see this combo being adequate for some small trio gigs, without a doubt! For most of my (none-home) church gigs, I'm playing with drums, organ w/Leslie and a choir and without FOH support I wouldn't think to carry just this combo into that situation, although I have taken my AER amp three into this situation and it had no problems.
 
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Nightman said:
I can certainly see this combo being adequate for some small trio gigs, without a doubt! For most of my (none-home) church gigs, I'm playing with drums, organ w/Leslie and a choir and without FOH support I wouldn't think to carry just this combo into that situation, although I have taken my AER amp three into this situation and it had no problems.
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I’ve always said “within reason” to qualify comments and experiences with his combo. It is just a 175 watt 1x10 after all.
 
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No doubt, and if it's all that's needed, why take anything else! I really like the combo with the BA12-3, though!
I'll be putting the 350 to the test with the band Friday night with the BA12-3. My MG800 and Greenboy 12/6/1 will be on the sideline just in case I need a little more thunder!
 
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Nightman said:
I can certainly see this combo being adequate for some small trio gigs, without a doubt! For most of my (none-home) church gigs, I'm playing with drums, organ w/Leslie and a choir and without FOH support I wouldn't think to carry just this combo into that situation, although I have taken my AER amp three into this situation and it had no problems.
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Is there any churches out here that doesn’t have PA support though?
 

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