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#721
I had a killer moment last night at a church my wife and I was visiting and I took just my Genzler 800 and 1 of my Array 112-3 cabs. The church is a decent sized that will hold a little over 100 people. I used no PA support and roughly 20% volume on head and bass. Anyways the Pastor and several of the members including the Worship leader come up to afterwards saying they loved the tone and the bass playing. Pastor even said he would catch his self during the music concentrating on nothing but the Bass instead of the worship lol. This setup kills whether you use 1,2 or all 3 cabs. I've never had more compliments over my sound or tone as I have since selling everything else bass amp related and moving to all Genzler.
 
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#722
Personally I don't think it is needed.. BUT If anyone is going to mess with a HPF on an amp.. yeah, I know they are already incorporated anyways in most rigs.
But PLEASE make it either Completely Defeatable with a small switch OR have a graduated Knob (either continuous or stepped) that allows it to only filter ELF or at least not start until maybe 20hz.. and go up from there...

I work a wide variety of styles on gigs and In many situations i like the FEEL of extended lows without EQ needed to bring them back in..
The one thing i like about the Millenia preamp or my API pre in my studio setup is the deepness they extend too without HPF..
 
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#723
kringle77 said:
Jeff, the Magellan is my current favorite gig head. But, I do use an external high pass filter and eq. Any chance we could see an amp similar to the new mesa D800+ that comes standard with an adjustable highpass and extra semi parametric eq? I really prefer the the Magellan in every way to the mesa but, those are features that many of us suggested way back before any of these amps came out. Actually, the extra eq and hp with just a single tube preamp section instead of the other two would be even better. Just a suggestion, thanks for listening. Keep it up. ........oh hey, how about a ceramic bassed sealed cab? !
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Certainly you and many of the TB regulars are extremely plugged into their gear and the best use of that equipment. We continue to listen to the suggestions of a variety of players and balance the benefits into future products and always welcome the suggestions.
Tube preamp and Ceramic, sealed cabs....sounds like your wish-list is expanding.

We'll keep moving forward!
 
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#724
svtb15 said:
Personally I don't think it is needed.. BUT If anyone is going to mess with a HPF on an amp.. yeah, I know they are already incorporated anyways in most rigs.
But PLEASE make it either Completely Defeatable with a small switch OR have a graduated Knob (either continuous or stepped) that allows it to only filter ELF or at least not start until maybe 20hz.. and go up from there...

I work a wide variety of styles on gigs and In many situations i like the FEEL of extended lows without EQ needed to bring them back in..
The one thing i like about the Millenia preamp or my API pre in my studio setup is the deepness they extend too without HPF..
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Kirk,
As I'm sure you know, there are so many trade-offs and benefits in the HPF discussion. Over the years we (Scott and I) have gone round and round studying the HPF question but time and time again we've come back to how much more controlled and "clean" the LF response stays when using a properly placed and designed circuit.
This is way before you start the discussion of speaker excursion and potential failure issues---- usually with the more inexperienced player.

With the Magellan 800 we settled on a circuit and frequency setting that we've not used before. Again, having the benefits of a "clean slate" and no pre-conceived parameters in the design, we felt that we did want to approach this differently.
I think the depth and roundness of the LF in this design is enhanced by the HPF used.
 
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#725
I totally understand

Jeff Genzler said:
Kirk,
As I'm sure you know, there are so many trade-offs and benefits in the HPF discussion. Over the years we (Scott and I) have gone round and round studying the HPF question but time and time again we've come back to how much more controlled and "clean" the LF response stays when using a properly placed and designed circuit.
This is way before you start the discussion of speaker excursion and potential failure issues---- usually with the more inexperienced player.

With the Magellan 800 we settled on a circuit and frequency setting that we've not used before. Again, having the benefits of a "clean slate" and no pre-conceived parameters in the design, we felt that we did want to approach this differently.
I think the depth and roundness of the LF in this design is enhanced by the HPF used.
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#726
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I bought the HDN cab before I knew I wanted the Magellan (and before I sold off my Mesa D800 and Streamliner too). In hindsight, I might have opted for the Array. But these sounds pretty darn good together.

The Streamliner was my main amp for maybe 2-3 years with a Berg NV610. That was my first good rig, and I gigged it a lot. I never thought I would sell it, but I took a chance after reading many threads and watching all the Magellan vids I could find. I still love the Streamliner for what it does, but this amp is more versatile and a good upgrade in the long run. I'm a happy Wabit.
 
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#728
I forgot to mention the gig bag is great too. I paid extra for it, but it's well worth it. Everyone was touting the bag of the Mesa D800 when it came out, but I found it to be a flimsy POS. This bag is 2 steps above that one. It's so well padded that it doesn't fold up... stays boxy. I'd rather pay a little for a good one than get a POS for free.
 
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#730
agreed.. The genzler is all top shelf,,,,

Burwabit said:
I forgot to mention the gig bag is great too. I paid extra for it, but it's well worth it. Everyone was touting the bag of the Mesa D800 when it came out, but I found it to be a flimsy POS. This bag is 2 steps above that one. It's so well padded that it doesn't fold up... stays boxy. I'd rather pay a little for a good one than get a POS for free.
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#734
Hi,

i would like to chime in about the HPF discussion.
The MG 800 is a really good amp. One of the best Class D Amps out there.

I would love to see the HPF switchable too.
The amp is not thin at all, but i miss sometimes the very lo end in my tone.
Especially in situations where i play not too loud.
In louder situations the HPF works well and makes total sense.

The clean channel A should be totally flat, without any alteration to the natural tone.
The HPF is fine when using channel B though.

Also the description of channel A: "clean and pristine" is not really the case, at least to my ears.
Clean: yes, pristine: not really.
I miss some detail and resolution, especially if i compare it to my beloved Glockenklang Bass Art Preamp.
That thing sounds really clean and pristine! Its not a fair comparison, i know.

Saying all this, i like my MG 800 a lot.
Especially the poweramp is the first Class D module that feels (almost) like a real bass amp.

Kind Regards,
Paul
 
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#735
paulitto said:
Hi,

i would like to chime in about the HPF discussion.
The MG 800 is a really good amp. One of the best Class D Amps out there.

I would love to see the HPF switchable too.
The amp is not thin at all, but i miss sometimes the very lo end in my tone.
Especially in situations where i play not too loud.
In louder situations the HPF works well and makes total sense.

The clean channel A should be totally flat, without any alteration to the natural tone.
The HPF is fine when using channel B though.

Also the description of channel A: "clean and pristine" is not really the case, at least to my ears.
Clean: yes, pristine: not really.
I miss some detail and resolution, especially if i compare it to my beloved Glockenklang Bass Art Preamp.
That thing sounds really clean and pristine! Its not a fair comparison, i know.

Saying all this, i like my MG 800 a lot.
Especially the poweramp is the first Class D module that feels (almost) like a real bass amp.

Kind Regards,
Paul
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Hi Paul,
Great to hear your points and comments on the HPF discussion and overall the Magellan 800 amp. Certainly a lot of discussion, design and research goes into the decision to offer this network or make it adjustable of on/off. We do have our HPF set pretty low for the CLEAN channel and to the extent that you could turn it off, as the discussion goes, that could potential create speaker damage OR even go unnoticed in performance, if not used with speakers capable of reproducing those lowest frequencies.
We're always cautious of a feature that might be so subtle that it could go unnoticed if switched on or off. NOT that this would be the case in all instances but certainly in some.
As well, we've always felt that using some HPF (even set to a very low frequency) just "tightens and cleans up" the LF response.

And I will say that for those players looking for a higher HPF setting, the DRIVE channel of the Magellan 800 does offer a higher setting AND the higher you set the GAIN control the more the HPF slides up.
So it is possible to keep a clean setting in the DRIVE channel with a higher HPF setting.

So while there will always be a HPF in the signal chain of the Magellan 800, there is some flexibility to slide up the frequency of the HPF.

I hope this info is helpful to a deeper understanding of your amp.

Jeff
 
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#737
The new mesa 800+ minus the voicing knob is the perfect combination of features but, the magellan just sounds and feels better to me (compared to the first 800). If you put out a magellan with those features instead of the voicing control, I'd like the first one. The benefits of the adjustable hpf are obvious and a second mid allows you to adjust for different cabs. Just make the mid controls identical because, they are perfect. I'll beta test for you!
 
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#738
I appreciate the continual "refinement comments" for any and every piece of gear mentioned on talkbass by members. It's always interesting to see what everyone wants and needs. I am satisfied with the Magellan as it is, especially in light of several examples and conclusion statement by JGenz in post 736 above:
Jeff Genzler said:
So while there will always be a HPF in the signal chain of the Magellan 800, there is some flexibility to slide up the frequency of the HPF.
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Have used standalone HPF3 for years and I consider it a useful tool, like a fork or spoon. However, it is a not a glamor item for me. I don't need that specific parameter of adjustment built in on my amp panel. If I needed more HPF adjustment than provided by the Magellan, I would grab my HPF3. Haven't needed to do so yet.

As far as more mid control, my active basses typically have that covered. I can adjust any of my EBGs to use less bass or treble to change mids, or use one of two available mid frequencies to adjust mids, all on the fly.

Then, if more mid intervention is needed, there is ample additional mid adjustment on Magellan's front panel (less bass + less treble = more mids; adjustable mid Contour A or B aka voice; and EQ mid-frequency adjustment). JGenz did a great job of describing Magellan mid flexibility in previous posts.
 
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#739
I got to play a magellan 212 today at Guitar Sanctuary.. Real NICE cab . .It is smaller in size than i imagined.. So it is sort of compact in a good way... . The store sold their magellan 800 head so i tried it with the bergantino B amp...
Nice and focused sounding cab that has smooth bottom.. Smooth mids that are not ganky or too peaky yet they are present.
It seems to take EQ easily.

I didn't get to drive it as loud as would have liked since it was in a store and i wanted to be polite to others.
This cab is no slouch..It can do heavy lifting..
 
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