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Another deciding factor for me was the cabinet ergonomics ie size, weight and easy of carry. Sad to admit, but reality is that that factor has become as important to me as sound quality. I'm in my late 60's and while i can still hold my own in the styles i love to play, transporting the gear is a challenge. I tried a number of high-quality 112's with my MG350 amp, all of which sounded different but great. I found all of them however physically too "boxy", i guess that is the current cab design state-of-the-art. Even though most were light enough for one-hand carry, the width, depth and handle placement on those boxy boxes made me use two hands in front of my chest and then i had trouble watching where my feet were going.

Yeah yeah i know TMI - but wanted to clarify, again, how great a cabinet the MG12T-V is. High quality sound and total ease of carry, felt almost as easy as the BA10-2 - which is also a great cabinet for the same reasons, but with a different quality of sound (to my ears).
 
My issue is I have a passive 4 string P that I use a lot, and active 5’s that I also use a lot, often on the same gig. Hence my dilemma. The other paper of the equation...I only use a rig for maybe 6-10 gigs a year. I want it to sound great, but have to balance expense vs. income from those gigs. They are usually gigs that pay like $50-$100 a shot. It’d take 2 years to recover the cost of say a B15-3.

I’ll likely be playing gigs for the next 30 years before I break even on gear expenditures. Much like my love of cars, this is an expensive hobby.
 
14th of April:
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tl:dr: Considering MG350 10-2 combo plus a 10-2, selling all the other stuff. Persuade me in one or the other direction.

So today I picked up the Genzler MG350 combo plus a BA10-2 cab. Most of my old rig is gone.

Wasn't sure what to expect actually. I've never played through Neo-speakers and never tried the more expensive stuff. My last experience with 10 inch speakers was with Trace Elliot in the 90's (4x10), but that is an other breed of things.

Played it a couple of hours today, at home, using my Fender Prodigy (P/J) with TI flats and my Ibanez fretless also with TI flats.

I must say, my eyebrows raised and my jaw dropped a little, especially when using the fretless with the piezo. The way this rig reproduce the tonal spectrum is.. just.. WOW!. So evenly, so easily, and, if my ears can take it: - so loud!

Thanks for answering my questions, @Jeff Genzler

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Another deciding factor for me was the cabinet ergonomics ie size, weight and easy of carry. Sad to admit, but reality is that that factor has become as important to me as sound quality. I'm in my late 60's and while i can still hold my own in the styles i love to play, transporting the gear is a challenge. I tried a number of high-quality 112's with my MG350 amp, all of which sounded different but great. I found all of them however physically too "boxy", i guess that is the current cab design state-of-the-art. Even though most were light enough for one-hand carry, the width, depth and handle placement on those boxy boxes made me use two hands in front of my chest and then i had trouble watching where my feet were going.

Yeah yeah i know TMI - but wanted to clarify, again, how great a cabinet the MG12T-V is. High quality sound and total ease of carry, felt almost as easy as the BA10-2 - which is also a great cabinet for the same reasons, but with a different quality of sound (to my ears).

I agree with all of this. The MG12T-V is SO EASY to grab and carry with the handle where it is. Just like the BA10-2, maybe even easier as odd as that sounds.

I’ll likely be playing gigs for the next 30 years before I break even on gear expenditures. Much like my love of cars, this is an expensive hobby.

Sure, I realize that.

14th of April:

So today I picked up the Genzler MG350 combo plus a BA10-2 cab. Most of my old rig is gone.

I must say, my eyebrows raised and my jaw dropped a little, especially when using the fretless with the piezo. The way this rig reproduce the tonal spectrum is.. just.. WOW!. So evenly, so easily, and, if my ears can take it: - so loud!

Thanks for answering my questions, @Jeff Genzler

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I don't even have the added cab, just the combo, and that was - still is - my reaction. Just wow. A pair of those cabs has to be even better. I may have to be on the look out for a used BA10-2. That would make more sense for me than a BA15-3.

A pair of BA10-2's for my Roscoe 5's and the MG12V-T for my P and J basses. And an amp switcher pedal for when I use both. :help:
 
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14th of April:


So today I picked up the Genzler MG350 combo plus a BA10-2 cab. Most of my old rig is gone.

Wasn't sure what to expect actually. I've never played through Neo-speakers and never tried the more expensive stuff. My last experience with 10 inch speakers was with Trace Elliot in the 90's (4x10), but that is an other breed of things.

Played it a couple of hours today, at home, using my Fender Prodigy (P/J) with TI flats and my Ibanez fretless also with TI flats.

I must say, my eyebrows raised and my jaw dropped a little, especially when using the fretless with the piezo. The way this rig reproduce the tonal spectrum is.. just.. WOW!. So evenly, so easily, and, if my ears can take it: - so loud!

Thanks for answering my questions, @Jeff Genzler

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@arnebv --- So glad you were able to receive your new rig. Nice to have another player using the gear in Norway. I was happy to assist you with your questions.
Congratulations and thank you for choosing our products.
 
Hi all. I’m new to the TB forum and a Genzler / GenzBenz Enthusiast.

My first question for the club: does anyone here have exoerience with the combination of a BA 10-2 and a BA 12-3?

I own the 350 combi with extra 10-2 cab. I recently bought the M800 for bigger gigs, and now I am considering adding a 12-3. Do you think the 12-3 would work well with the two 10-2’s?

Currently I’m using a Vanderkley 212LNT 4ohm 1200watt cab. It sounds great but it’s quite chunky (though not too heavy)
 
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I don't have experience pairing a single 10-2 and 12-3. But, based on how good a 2x 12-3 stack sounds, I'm sure that pairing sounds fabulous. A little extra booty than a stack of 210s on their own. Oh, and I might add, a 410-3 and 12-3 stack sounds like hot melty chocolate poured over NY cheesecake good.
Great , now I’m hungry...
 
does anyone use the 10-2 / 15-3 together?

I have the Magellan 800 and use the BA210-3 SLT & BA15-3 SLT. It is the most compact stack with a lot of punch and clarity. Truly an amazing rig!
 
Hi all. I’m new to the TB forum and a Genzler / GenzBenz Enthusiast.

My first question for the club: does anyone here have exoerience with the combination of a BA 10-2 and a BA 12-3?

Welcome to Talkbass and to the Genzler forum.

I use the 10-2 and 12-3 cabinets in combination on a regular basis. I’ve written about that at various points in this forum in the past couple of years. I will copy one of the more comprehensive comments below. I don’t have any real world experience with the 15 as yet aside from some in store demos, so I can’t compare.

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I posted previously, I was curious about how the BA12-3 and BA10-2 cabinets might sound when combined with the MG350 head. I already had the MG350 and BA10-2 cabinet, so I went ahead and picked up a BA12-3 cabinet, which I had previously tried on its own and liked very much. I considered getting another BA10-2 instead, so that I would have two identical cabinets, but I’m happy that I went with the BA12-3, as I can use it on its own with the MG350 when needed for venues where the BA10-2 might not be enough on its own. The short version is that the sound of this combination is full, balanced, clear, articulate, punchy, and downright yummy. I don’t think I could be happier.

My initial experience with the BA10-2 cabinet by itself was that it was clear and had good midrange punch, but I wasn’t really getting the low end that I wanted. Also, to my ears, it took a little while to break in, feeling and sounding a bit stiff out of the box. I really like that cabinet on its own for upright bass, as it provides a balanced and natural sound in a very portable package, but for electric bass and larger rooms, I wanted something more filling. On the other hand, the BA12-3 was gig ready right from the get go. As others have mentioned, the BA12-3 on its own is amazingly big sounding, with a very full low end and good definition. When paired, the BA10-2 and BA12-3 provide a very even and balanced sound from top to bottom. There are no weird sonic holes and no pokey frequencies. The notes start when you want, and they stop when you want, not turning into some poorly defined mush.

I’ve been using this combination primarily with a Ken Smith bolt-on five string bass, and the pairing between this bass and amp setup provides a sound that is truly satisfying. I have been using the combination by simply stacking the BA10-2 on top of the BA12-3, aligning the center arrays down the middle, with the MG350 mounted to the top of the BA10-2. In effect, you get what is essentially a three-way cabinet by combining these cabinets (even though there are more than three ways going on here). At lower volumes, while standing next to the diminutive stack, one unusual aural illusion I noticed was that the sound of D and G strings appeared to be coming from the BA10-2, and the sound from the A, E, and B strings appeared to be coming from the BA12-3. Obviously, this wasn’t actually happening, and from a distance and at louder volumes, the cabinets blend quite nicely.

In a band situation, the combination fills the room with a very pleasing warm undertone, but note clarity and definition are there too. For me, this is extra important, as I strive to produce a solid rhythm which is defined by being able to clearly hear the beginning of every note. I get this in spades with the array cabinets. I was getting carried away at a recent rehearsal, perhaps playing a bit louder than necessary because I was so excited by my sound, but when I asked band members about my volume, neither the guitarist nor drummer wanted me to turn down. (The singer may have wanted me to turn down a little, but she kept quiet, perhaps realizing the positive effect the bass sound was having on the overall performance.) I’ve got a gig this weekend in a club that is a converted warehouse, with not so much conversion, which has a lot of hard concrete surfaces, high ceilings, and exposed steel. I expect this combination will handle the potentially problematic room with ease.

I have not tried combinations of other Genzler cabinets, so I cannot compare in that regard. Others have noted how satisfying multiple BA12-3s can be, but for me, I like having the variety in speaker size and cabinet configuration, as I can use different combinations as needed for different rooms and playing situations.

Some may want to say that this combination sounds similar to a studio monitor, but I wouldn’t necessarily say that. To me, this combination is somewhat reminiscent of three-way cabinets of yesteryear, including the AccuGroove El Whappo, SWR Triad, and those cabinets that EV made back in the early 80’s. However, the Genzler cabinets combined are much lighter, take up a smaller foot print, are modular for easy transportation, and sound fantastic. I’m tempted to use this combination for all my gigs because it sounds so good, even though it would be overkill in some situations. One warning, if you decide to go with this combination, you’d better practice, because there will be no hiding your sound, even in a dense band situation. Now I need to go practice myself, but it’s such a joy practicing when my bass sounds this good.
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My initial experience with the BA10-2 cabinet by itself was that it was clear and had good midrange punch, but I wasn’t really getting the low end that I wanted

This was my finding as well, and my motivation for getting a 12-3 to add the desired bottom end. Again, for my particular application, style, taste, etc.
 
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Hi all,
since this thread is almost 400 pages long I'm going to ask my question outright. Forgive me if it has been asked and answered in this thread already.
(and yes I did do a "search" first)

Q: Has anyone tried a BA12-3 on top of a MG 112 or 212 cab? (or a NeoX/NX2 112/212)
Thanks in advance for your insight.
 
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Welcome to Talkbass and to the Genzler forum.

I use the 10-2 and 12-3 cabinets in combination on a regular basis. I’ve written about that at various points in this forum in the past couple of years. I will copy one of the more comprehensive comments below. I don’t have any real world experience with the 15 as yet aside from some in store demos, so I can’t compare.

[begin quote]
I posted previously, I was curious about how the BA12-3 and BA10-2 cabinets might sound when combined with the MG350 head. I already had the MG350 and BA10-2 cabinet, so I went ahead and picked up a BA12-3 cabinet, which I had previously tried on its own and liked very much. I considered getting another BA10-2 instead, so that I would have two identical cabinets, but I’m happy that I went with the BA12-3, as I can use it on its own with the MG350 when needed for venues where the BA10-2 might not be enough on its own. The short version is that the sound of this combination is full, balanced, clear, articulate, punchy, and downright yummy. I don’t think I could be happier.

My initial experience with the BA10-2 cabinet by itself was that it was clear and had good midrange punch, but I wasn’t really getting the low end that I wanted. Also, to my ears, it took a little while to break in, feeling and sounding a bit stiff out of the box. I really like that cabinet on its own for upright bass, as it provides a balanced and natural sound in a very portable package, but for electric bass and larger rooms, I wanted something more filling. On the other hand, the BA12-3 was gig ready right from the get go. As others have mentioned, the BA12-3 on its own is amazingly big sounding, with a very full low end and good definition. When paired, the BA10-2 and BA12-3 provide a very even and balanced sound from top to bottom. There are no weird sonic holes and no pokey frequencies. The notes start when you want, and they stop when you want, not turning into some poorly defined mush.

I’ve been using this combination primarily with a Ken Smith bolt-on five string bass, and the pairing between this bass and amp setup provides a sound that is truly satisfying. I have been using the combination by simply stacking the BA10-2 on top of the BA12-3, aligning the center arrays down the middle, with the MG350 mounted to the top of the BA10-2. In effect, you get what is essentially a three-way cabinet by combining these cabinets (even though there are more than three ways going on here). At lower volumes, while standing next to the diminutive stack, one unusual aural illusion I noticed was that the sound of D and G strings appeared to be coming from the BA10-2, and the sound from the A, E, and B strings appeared to be coming from the BA12-3. Obviously, this wasn’t actually happening, and from a distance and at louder volumes, the cabinets blend quite nicely.

In a band situation, the combination fills the room with a very pleasing warm undertone, but note clarity and definition are there too. For me, this is extra important, as I strive to produce a solid rhythm which is defined by being able to clearly hear the beginning of every note. I get this in spades with the array cabinets. I was getting carried away at a recent rehearsal, perhaps playing a bit louder than necessary because I was so excited by my sound, but when I asked band members about my volume, neither the guitarist nor drummer wanted me to turn down. (The singer may have wanted me to turn down a little, but she kept quiet, perhaps realizing the positive effect the bass sound was having on the overall performance.) I’ve got a gig this weekend in a club that is a converted warehouse, with not so much conversion, which has a lot of hard concrete surfaces, high ceilings, and exposed steel. I expect this combination will handle the potentially problematic room with ease.

I have not tried combinations of other Genzler cabinets, so I cannot compare in that regard. Others have noted how satisfying multiple BA12-3s can be, but for me, I like having the variety in speaker size and cabinet configuration, as I can use different combinations as needed for different rooms and playing situations.

Some may want to say that this combination sounds similar to a studio monitor, but I wouldn’t necessarily say that. To me, this combination is somewhat reminiscent of three-way cabinets of yesteryear, including the AccuGroove El Whappo, SWR Triad, and those cabinets that EV made back in the early 80’s. However, the Genzler cabinets combined are much lighter, take up a smaller foot print, are modular for easy transportation, and sound fantastic. I’m tempted to use this combination for all my gigs because it sounds so good, even though it would be overkill in some situations. One warning, if you decide to go with this combination, you’d better practice, because there will be no hiding your sound, even in a dense band situation. Now I need to go practice myself, but it’s such a joy practicing when my bass sounds this good.
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Thanks! That was very very helpful. I’m going for an extra 12”. The 15” is interesting but a bit pricey over here. And I can get a used BA12-3 for 575€ (new 950€). And yes, I will practice more.

thanks all! I like this place :-)
 
Hi all,
since this thread is almost 400 pages long I'm going to ask my question outright. Forgive me if it has been asked and answered in this thread already.
(and yes I did do a "search" first)

Q: Has anyone tried a BA12-3 on top of a MG 112 or 212 cab? (or a NeoX/NX2 112/212)
Thanks in advance for your insight.
I’ve put 2 12-3’s on top of a Neox 112.
Sounds great but would prefer another slant there instead....