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Genzler Amplification Club

Question for you all: if I plug a preamp pedal into my Magellan 350, both the head and pedal’s preamp will be “active” correct?

Interested in an Aguilar Tone Hammer pedal but wondering if having both preamps on changes the sound/tone too much.

Thanks guys!

I use the TH pedal in front of an MG350 head often without any issues. I usually use it with passive basses, like a traditional P or J bass, when I want to quickly thicken up or dirty up the sound, especially if I don’t want to change my standard preamp settings on the MG350 head.

I don’t see using the TH pedal as much different than plugging in an active bass with onboard preamp into the MG350, but the TH pedal has generally more tone sculpting ability than basic onboard preamps and also has the AGS drive circuit.

If you want to bypass the MG350’s preamp, you can run the TH into the AUX input on the MG350, but you the lose functionality of all the front panel knobs except the master volume, including the mute switch.

Because the Genzler sound is generally on the clean side and the Aguilar sound is generally on the colored side, having both gives you a lot of sonic options. One thing to note is that the TH controls are not necessarily intuitive. If you go that route, take some time to experiment with the circuit controls. There are good threads about the subject here on TB. It seems like a lot of people give up on it because they assume it’s like other circuits, but it is not. It’s got its own thing going on that might take a little time to learn.
 
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I will have to snap a pic next I am at my rehearsal studio where my Genzler Bass Array 410 sits. I run a Mesa 800+ into it and have been considering purchasing a Bass Array 115 to compliment the 410. The 410 is 4 ohm and I see that 115 is 8 ohm, I’m good with running my amp @ 2 ohm, I’m just curious if anyone out there has played these two cabs together? Is it a good combination despite the difference in power distribution between the 2 cabs?
 
I will have to snap a pic next I am at my rehearsal studio where my Genzler Bass Array 410 sits. I run a Mesa 800+ into it and have been considering purchasing a Bass Array 115 to compliment the 410. The 410 is 4 ohm and I see that 115 is 8 ohm, I’m good with running my amp @ 2 ohm, I’m just curious if anyone out there has played these two cabs together? Is it a good combination despite the difference in power distribution between the 2 cabs?

I just recently played an outdoor show using this setup with the Magellan 800. The Genzler amp is setup to run at 2.67ohms.

With the Genzler amp I never noticed one cab being over powered by the other. Felt more like one complete rig. The BA15-3 sounds big and full and you know what the BA410-3 is all about. Combined they compliment each other. Big, full, articulate bottom end with punch and clarity on the top. The overall slant of the entire rig is great to get that tone at ear level and fills the entire stage! Especially when you step back 10-20ft away from the rig.

I have no experience with the Mesa amp but my entire Genzler Big Rig setup is truly amazing! The BA15-3 SLT with the BA410-3 totally works!

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I use the TH pedal in front of an MG350 head often without any issues. I usually use it with passive basses, like a traditional P or J bass, when I want to quickly thicken up or dirty up the sound, especially if I don’t want to change my standard preamp settings on the MG350 head.

I don’t see using the TH pedal as much different than plugging in an active bass with onboard preamp into the MG350, but the TH pedal has generally more tone sculpting ability than basic onboard preamps and also has the AGS drive circuit.

If you want to bypass the MG350’s preamp, you can run the TH into the AUX input on the MG350, but you the lose functionality of all the front panel knobs except the master volume, including the mute switch.

Because the Genzler sound is generally on the clean side and the Aguilar sound is generally on the colored side, having both gives you a lot of sonic options. One thing to note is that the TH controls are not necessarily intuitive. If you go that route, take some time to experiment with the circuit controls. There are good threads about the subject here on TB. It seems like a lot of people give up on it because they assume it’s like other circuits, but it is not. It’s got its own thing going on that might take a little time to learn.

Thank you for your take Eric, really helpful and I can consider the pedal again :thumbsup:
 
I just recently played an outdoor show using this setup with the Magellan 800. The Genzler amp is setup to run at 2.67ohms.

With the Genzler amp I never noticed one cab being over powered by the other. Felt more like one complete rig. The BA15-3 sounds big and full and you know what the BA410-3 is all about. Combined they compliment each other. Big, full, articulate bottom end with punch and clarity on the top. The overall slant of the entire rig is great to get that tone at ear level and fills the entire stage! Especially when you step back 10-20ft away from the rig.

I have no experience with the Mesa amp but my entire Genzler Big Rig setup is truly amazing! The BA15-3 SLT with the BA410-3 totally works!

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I just recently played an outdoor show using this setup with the Magellan 800. The Genzler amp is setup to run at 2.67ohms.

With the Genzler amp I never noticed one cab being over powered by the other. Felt more like one complete rig. The BA15-3 sounds big and full and you know what the BA410-3 is all about. Combined they compliment each other. Big, full, articulate bottom end with punch and clarity on the top. The overall slant of the entire rig is great to get that tone at ear level and fills the entire stage! Especially when you step back 10-20ft away from the rig.

I have no experience with the Mesa amp but my entire Genzler Big Rig setup is truly amazing! The BA15-3 SLT with the BA410-3 totally works!

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Hey Joeykun, that’s the setup I was looking to hear about! Glad to hear that you are pleased with putting the 410 together with the 115. It’s a little hard to tell, I guess the 115 is slanted? Things are stable with the amp/410 sitting on the slant?
I’d love to your sound with that, but I will take your word for it. Thanks!
 

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It’s a little hard to tell, I guess the 115 is slanted? Things are stable with the amp/410 sitting on the slant?
I’d love to your sound with that, but I will take your word for it. Thanks!

Yes, the BA15-3 SLT has a 6-degree angle and is no problem with the amp on top. I posted a video from the show on here using this rig.

Link: Genzler Amplification Club

It is without a doubt the most fullest rig I have heard. I will be posting a few videos of the BA15-3 SLT soon as I just finally received some equipment I’ve been waiting on to better record with. But, trust me just get it. You will not be disappointed!!
 
I think a buy MG 350 or MG800. Main point for me the vintage (tube) sound.
As i see in usermanual, only MG800 has two channel. Drive channel made a tube harmic distortion.
My question, only MG800 can make a TUBE preamp sound, like GenzBenz Neo/Shutlle 6.2/9.2?
 
I think a buy MG 350 or MG800. Main point for me the vintage (tube) sound.
As i see in usermanual, only MG800 has two channel. Drive channel made a tube harmic distortion.
My question, only MG800 can make a TUBE preamp sound, like GenzBenz Neo/Shutlle 6.2/9.2?
Yes but the b contour on both can sound like a clean vintage amp. If you want a bit of distortion too - the 800 is the way to go.
 
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Yes but the b contour on both can sound like a clean vintage amp. If you want a bit of distortion too - the 800 is the way to go.

Yup, that’s why I went with the 800. I can’t see myself ever needing that kind of power but I can get a nice, almost Ampeg like sound from the 800, especially with my two G&L’s (L1K and L2K).
 
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I think a buy MG 350 or MG800. Main point for me the vintage (tube) sound.
As i see in usermanual, only MG800 has two channel. Drive channel made a tube harmic distortion.
My question, only MG800 can make a TUBE preamp sound, like GenzBenz Neo/Shutlle 6.2/9.2?
Just to be sure you’re aware... the 800 does not have any tubes in it. It can sound very vintage with the contour and a little dirt added. I don’t miss the tube at all but some folk are purists about such things.
The 350 doesn’t have the second channel for distortion but it does have the contour control
 
Thinking of buying the BA210-3 to replace my two GK cx115s. Looking for a lite one cab solution to match up with my GK legacy 800. Played that combo at my local shop a couple of days ago and was amazed. Is this cab really that good? Or does Jeff have something better for me...