Genzler Amplification Club

[Tonycarlson]

Hi all - could use some advice from the crew here. Currently using a Magellan with two Baer M112s. Rarely if ever do I need both speakers (although I often bring them because bigger is better, after all). I'm contemplating going to a single Genzler 112 Array cab, but am not sure if 1) one would be enough for most gigs - medium volume vintage stuff and 2) if there are any issues with using 1` cab and it being so low to the ground (I'm used to a taller stack). Would appreciate any feedback from those of you using a single 12" array cab. I'd love to go all Genzler but prefer not to have to carry two cabs. Thoughts?

These cabs are always loud enough and never sound stressed. I really don't doubt that one cab could handle medium sized gigs without issue. Now, that being said, I have four of them because if I want to end the world with one strike of the string, I can end the world with one strike of the string.

 

[Djadja]

Now, that being said, I have four of them because if I want to end the world with one strike of the string, I can end the world with one strike of the string.

I thought I'd heard of more earthquake activity in IL

 

[Tonycarlson]

I thought I'd heard of more earthquake activity in IL

My bad! I'll try to keep it down so California doesn't fall into the ocean.

 

[Combinator]

I have a single BA12-3 and use it with a Genx Benz Shuttle 9.0. I play in two guitar based indie bands, a moderate volume church band, and with a couple of singer songwriters. The two band drummers are not bashers. I've played a couple of small/medium clubs with no PA support and one worked very nicely for me. In larger clubs with PA support, it has been great on stage as well. The church band uses electronic drums so that is a different thing altogether. Part of my deal is that if that single cab isn't loud enough for on stage, then I don't want to be there and risk any more damage to my ears.

I do put the cab on a stand. when sitting on the floor, I find it too far away from my ears to hear it well.

I do GAS for an additional cab or a Magellan and 2 more and sometimes think maybe add a BA210-3 to have an additional flavor... but don't really need any more than I have unless I wanted to have one cab to leave at church and a second for at home, etc.

What I'd say to this is that while one BA12-3 gets pretty loud (as long as you're not going for dub levels of depth), there's a significant difference between a single BA12-3 and 2 or more of them in a live setting at gig volume. The mids from a single BA12-3 are very present and full, which works very well for a sound where that tone is favored - if you like doing the burpy bridge pickup thing or even an evenly blended 2 x J-pickup thing, you might be able to take more advantage than someone who goes for a very deep, low freq-forward P-pickup tone. But with two or more, the lows and portions of the highs are filled out even more, allowing you greater flexibility to carve the sound up any way you like.

Also to note: I actually prefer not to put the BA12-3 up off the floor; for the above mentioned reasons, I like to let it couple with the stage if I'm just using one for some additional low end support. Up higher, the mids are pronounced a bit further, in my experience.

 

[Djadja]

What I'd say to this is that while one BA12-3 gets pretty loud (as long as you're not going for dub levels of depth), there's a significant difference between a single BA12-3 and 2 or more of them in a live setting at gig volume. The mids from a single BA12-3 are very present and full, which works very well for a sound where that tone is favored - if you like doing the burpy bridge pickup thing or even an evenly blended 2 x J-pickup thing, you might be able to take more advantage than someone who goes for a very deep, low freq-forward P-pickup tone. But with two or more, the lows and portions of the highs are filled out even more, allowing you greater flexibility to carve the sound up any way you like.

Also to note: I actually prefer not to put the BA12-3 up off the floor; for the above mentioned reasons, I like to let it couple with the stage if I'm just using one for some additional low end support. Up higher, the mids are pronounced a bit further, in my experience.

I wouldn't disagree with your observations. I play fretless and like to have a very vocal and forward midrange. The mids are not honky at all though so don't take that implication, @bherman. I don't feel anything missing in the bottom. It is tight and authoritative, but then I've not tried more than one of them. Maybe if I did, I'd feel the need for a second one more acutely. Sometimes I do feel a need to bump the highs a tiny bit so perhaps that also would be not necessary if I had a second...thanks Sean

 

[Djadja]

My bad! I'll try to keep it down so California doesn't fall into the ocean.

Now see, there' a public service reason for me to stay at one and under no circumstances whatsoever to ever, ever, ever get 4

 

[Combinator]

I wouldn't disagree with your observations. I play fretless and like to have a very vocal and forward midrange. The mids are not honky at all though so don't take that implication, @bherman. I don't feel anything missing in the bottom. It is tight and authoritative, but then I've not tried more than one of them. Maybe if I did, I'd feel the need for a second one more acutely. Sometimes I do feel a need to bump the highs a tiny bit so perhaps that also would be not necessary if I had a second...thanks Sean

My pleasure! It's all subjective at the end of the day

 

[svtb15]

I could see STING using your rig! Im serious..

I'm pretty set on using my Magellan 800 into ( once i sell my 2 uber 115) a Magellan 212 and then a Mg 112.. That can do any gig....
I've done HUGE gigs ( with PA) with just one uber 115.. and the MG212 will be a bit more than a single 115..

I sold my SVT 810 years ago and have not looked back. 810s were never my thing.. same with 410s...
I really think that a 212 and 112 can do what i would normally get from the typical 810 anyway..
This new high powered 112s and 212s are a Gift to bass players.
I tried the MG212T in a store 2 weeks ago.. That's when i decided i can sell my 2 Uber 115s and feel safe.

It really does. That rig hits like a sledgehammer, but it has so much control.

 

[John D Harris]

My work here is done.


Well, almost...

Does that mean you haven't tried 3 of the BA210's?

 

[Jeff Genzler]

Just as an FYI, we've recently recorded a new demo video of the MG800 driving 2 of the BA210-3 cabs, featuring bassist Mike Frost (G-amps endorsee).
Hope to have that edited and available in the next few weeks.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

I have a single BA12-3 and use it with a Genx Benz Shuttle 9.0. I play in two guitar based indie bands, a moderate volume church band, and with a couple of singer songwriters. The two band drummers are not bashers. I've played a couple of small/medium clubs with no PA support and one worked very nicely for me. In larger clubs with PA support, it has been great on stage as well. The church band uses electronic drums so that is a different thing altogether. Part of my deal is that if that single cab isn't loud enough for on stage, then I don't want to be there and risk any more damage to my ears.

I do put the cab on a stand. when sitting on the floor, I find it too far away from my ears to hear it well.

I do GAS for an additional cab or a Magellan and 2 more and sometimes think maybe add a BA210-3 to have an additional flavor... but don't really need any more than I have unless I wanted to have one cab to leave at church and a second for at home, etc.

Man, I really like that Bee Bass!! I've never played one but they look gorgeous.

 

[bherman]

Thx all for the helpful replies and great discussion. I'm very much a P bass big low end guy and it doesn't sound like a single 12" array cab would cut it for me. Will either save up for 2 or stick with the two Baers that I havem

 

[tombowlus]

Does that mean you haven't tried 3 of the BA210's?

I have not tried any of the BA210's yet.

 

[3rdcurve]

I have not tried any of the BA210's yet.

Chop Chop Tom!

 

[svtb15]

I sold off my Pedulla basses last year. But I'd bet they would sound INCREDIBLE thru the BA12-3 cabs...
Im not playing the sort of music that my Pedulla basses excelled in. But one day i want to get another MVP5 and BUZZ.
Last night I was watching my bass player live friend Doug johns playing his pedulla's thru a Genz rig and that is a great combo . The BA123 takes it up a level ..IMO..
I have to say They were the most ergonomic basses that i ever played ... and Michael Pedulla is such a great guy..

 

[Djadja]

Man, I really like that Bee Bass!! I've never played one but they look gorgeous.

It is a wonderful instrument... lightweight, ergonomic, amazing playability, just the right amount of mwah. You should seek one out sometime, Jeff. Fred builds exceptional basses at very reasonable prices for what you get.

I tend to be a one instrument kind of person. When I was playing acoustic guitar exclusively, I had multiple amazing handbuilt guitars go through my hands but always ended up playing my one main Lowden. So I sold all the other acoustics because they were just taking up space. The same is true for the Bee. I had a nice P bass for a while that I got as a back-up... and never played it. Thought maybe if I swapped out the fretted neck for a fretless, I'd play it more... never played it. Sold it and don't miss it for a second.

For Genzler content, the Bee really does sound amazing through the BA12-3. Whenever I play with a supplied backline I always come away disappointed and I've committed myself to avoid those whenever I can. The BA112-3 just sounds so good with everything else flat or very, very close to flat.

 

[Discount Saint]

You guys are not helping! I was kinda hoping for a one can solution and now I need a loan and a roadie.....

The good news is you won't need a roadie as the Genzler cabs are extremely small and light. The loan, on the other hand, might not be a bad idea :$

 

[svtb15]

I saw this on my FB page today

 

[tombowlus]

I sold off my Pedulla basses last year. But I'd bet they would sound INCREDIBLE thru the BA12-3 cabs...
Im not playing the sort of music that my Pedulla basses excelled in. But one day i want to get another MVP5 and BUZZ.
Last night I was watching my bass player live friend Doug johns playing his pedulla's thru a Genz rig and that is a great combo . The BA123 takes it up a level ..IMO..
I have to say They were the most ergonomic basses that i ever played ... and Michael Pedulla is such a great guy..

Doug is a great friend and an amazing player. He definitely found his voice in his Pedulla basses. I never get tired of listening to Doug play, which I cannot say about all "bass feature" artists. I recently picked up an old MVP4 (to add to my Pentabuzz and Nuance 4 - which is one of my go-to gigging basses), and I think the MVP4 is going to work into regular rotation. It has that snappy, powerful, slightly scooped tone, and with the Genzler rig being so inherently balanced sounding, it really lets the character of the individual bass shine through.

 

[svtb15]

What i like about Doug is he is GENUINELY a nice guy.. And that comes out when you watch him. When he does a DEMO he is ENTHUSIASTIC. He is NOT a snob at all...
Although different styles, Billy Sheehan is the same . He is a truly nice guy and very enthusiastic about what he does.
I had the whole run of Pedulla's. mvp4, mvp5 deluxe, and mvp5 signature. I don't think they do the deluxe model anymore, which were all SOLID colors without the exotic maples... A buzz 4 and a real rare Series 2 Bolt on..
I have not owned the Nuance.. I'll bet yours is real nice though.
I like their neck profiles. And the the fingerboard Truing is always dead on accurate. They are different than a Spector although they have similar construction.. ie. maple wings / maple neck thru, PJ/ preamp, brass bridge etc..
They have a WIDE open sound and very clean..Unless you're Gene Simmons using his black one.. HAHA
But when i saw the DEMO the other day while online, i was just thinking how great the BA12-3 would make the pedulla's project ...
The years that i was playing my Pedulla's , I mostly used a compact Meyer PA rig/ monitor.. And these BA123 cabs are reminiscent of that sort of pro audio design.. NOT exactly,, It really is its OWN thing.. But sonically it has that something special and they are quite a few cuts ahead of the typical bass cab.. Just my opinion..

That said, I am getting a Magellan 212T soon.. It just fits my sonic needs for the foreseeable future. . And i need something that is between my two older Genz uber 115s. .More than one and less than 2 and I am sure this will do it.. For both Local gigs and road gigs.

Doug is a great friend and an amazing player. He definitely found his voice in his Pedulla basses. I never get tired of listening to Doug play, which I cannot say about all "bass feature" artists. I recently picked up an old MVP4 (to add to my Pentabuzz and Nuance 4 - which is one of my go-to gigging basses), and I think the MVP4 is going to work into regular rotation. It has that snappy, powerful, slightly scooped tone, and with the Genzler rig being so inherently balanced sounding, it really lets the character of the individual bass shine through.