Genzler Amplification Club

[RColie]

Bob - One assumes you are referring to the cabs, not the basses?

Now that would be a trick I'd like to see!

 

[berman3313]

Now that would be a trick I'd like to see!

Well, here's half the trick with Charlie playing ONE of the basses. Unfortunately, not with that nifty small stack nor his large one - but I think here he has the 12-3/800 and he gets such great tone!

 

[RColie]

That's a great bass tone and a great band! I dig their music for sure. Charlie uses some sort of pedal on part of the second song above, that sounds great as well.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

Charlie's a great guy and player. He also just picked up the BA15-3SLT a couple of weeks ago. Should just now be putting some miles on it.

 

[dwellers]

Hey, off topic but I value your opinions...

What ear protection have you found that really both works AND allows for a good listening experience? I have tried so many and none seem any different/better from the others. All just feel and sound like fingers in the ears to me, muffling everything and making it hard to enjoy playing live. I know I need protection but, well, like other forms of protection, it's just not the same. I am willing to spend a few bucks if it's really worth it. If not, I'll just keep sticking my fingers in my ears (figuratively speaking).

Thanks!

 

[SLPimp]

Yes, that's certainly a sweet setup all the way around! So it's an MG12T-V on top of what must be a BA12-3. I wonder if they're played together and if so how they sound?

Bob

They're voiced differently, so it'd be a good way to get vintage and

Hey, off topic but I value your opinions...

What ear protection have you found that really both works AND allows for a good listening experience? I have tried so many and none seem any different/better from the others. All just feel and sound like fingers in the ears to me, muffling everything and making it hard to enjoy playing live. I know I need protection but, well, like other forms of protection, it's just not the same. I am willing to spend a few bucks if it's really worth it. If not, I'll just keep sticking my fingers in my ears (figuratively speaking).

Thanks!

I use inexpensive Eargasm plugs. I find they tend to be a bit more clear than others since they have some sort of piece in the middle that allows some frequencies through? Best part is they drown out front persons banter.

 

[SLPimp]

They're voiced differently, so it'd be a good way to get vintage and


I use inexpensive Eargasm plugs. I find they tend to be a bit more clear than others since they have some sort of piece in the middle that allows some frequencies through? Best part is they drown out front persons banter.

Well that was a weird post. Oops.

 

[Smallmouth_Bass]

Hey, off topic but I value your opinions...

What ear protection have you found that really both works AND allows for a good listening experience? I have tried so many and none seem any different/better from the others. All just feel and sound like fingers in the ears to me, muffling everything and making it hard to enjoy playing live. I know I need protection but, well, like other forms of protection, it's just not the same. I am willing to spend a few bucks if it's really worth it. If not, I'll just keep sticking my fingers in my ears (figuratively speaking).

Thanks!

I went to my audiologist and asked for the molded musician's ear plugs and asked for the top level reduction. The filters I got were Etymotic ER25's. In theory, they are supposed to reduce all the frequencies pretty evenly, but they do seem to cut the highs a bit more. I am so used to wearing them that I can't play without them except for the quietest settings. It does take some getting used to, but it's the better than the alternative (hearing loss).

 

[RColie]

Just a quick note to say that the foot switch arrived and it's just as you would expect for a Genzler product: compact, oozes quality, matching aesthetics, built like a tank. I haven't tried it out yet but I have no doubt that it will perform it's function properly and reliably.

Bob

 

[Spidey2112]

Well that was a weird post. Oops.

Lol! We'll keep it between us, for now.

 

[bebass]

I know the BA210-3/15-3 combination gets a lot of love here, yet I am slightly surprised more haven't gone the 2X 15-3 route. Must be Joeykun influence....
I would love to hear a BA15-3 stack.

In general, I like to keep the same size speakers when stacking. I own a personal BA15-3. And if/when gigs open up again, you can guess which cab I will add.

 

[Combinator]

Ok - I finally did my IR. First one so let me know how it works out for you.

I moved An AKG 2035 around until my headphones sounded the same as my ears in the room (or as near to it). It ended up about 10" (250mm) from the grill and off axis from the array about the middle of the 12" cone.

I chose the 2035 for this because it has a relatively flat and wide response and didn't want to colour it much. And I don't have an AE20...

This was done in Logic Pro X using the impulse response utility. It works and sounds good in logic. I have no idea if this can be imported to other uses (hopefully IR's on DG stuff or the CAB).

At any rate here is a link to the file.



Now when I record directly into my DAW (Logic) from my magellan 800 post eq - and use the impulse response it can sound the same as my amp in the room - without having to mic or make noise when the fam is sleeping!

Unfortunately, my Helix isn't recognizing this as an IR. Any way to convert it to another file type that can be used??

 

[Loring]

good question - do you know what the file extension for helix is? I will look around and see what I can find...

 

[Combinator]

good question - do you know what the file extension for helix is? I will look around and see what I can find...

I'm not entirely sure, but it uses my packaged IRs from other providers, so it must be a somewhat standardized file type I'd think.

 

[Loring]

looks like a .wav file - can you confirm? Also It may already be that type of file with a different extension. Try renaming it to BA12-3.wav instead and it may work.

If not I am currently browsing the web for info...

 

[Loring]

I'm not entirely sure, but it uses my packaged IRs from other providers, so it must be a somewhat standardized file type I'd think.

let me know if just changing the file type works.

 

[Combinator]

let me know if just changing the file type works.

Will do, thank you!

 

[Joeykun]

Helix supports nearly all IRs in .WAV format. However, the Helix Edit application may
automatically change its attributes before sending it to the Helix hardware

 

[Combinator]

let me know if just changing the file type works.

Ok, here are my findings!
Your files are .aif. I wasn't able to just save as WAV, but I was able to convert to WAV with VLC. The WAV files worked with Helix. However, the volume level the files import at is unusably low - like -25 dB under bypassed, so even with the IR block's +6 dB gain and an additional +12 dB gain block afterward, I was able to hear the quality of the IR tone, but it still wasn't as loud as the bypassed cab sound. Most of the IRs I use (3rd party, aftermarket) actually have the opposite issue - they're much louder than the dry tone. I'm not sure if it's a byproduct of the conversion, of the mic used, or simply your EQ preferences when creating the IR as well, but what I heard was very very dark - akin to rolling a tone control almost all the way off; not a sound I identify with the Bass Array cabs. So I'm thinking there was something lost in translation here. But I do thank you very much for giving this a shot!! I'm still really interested in getting and using good IRs of a BA12-3 and/or 210-3, both of which I use. I lack the knowledge and good acoustic space to make solid ones myself, I'm afraid.

 

[Loring]

Ok, here are my findings!
Your files are .aif. I wasn't able to just save as WAV, but I was able to convert to WAV with VLC. The WAV files worked with Helix. However, the volume level the files import at is unusably low - like -25 dB under bypassed, so even with the IR block's +6 dB gain and an additional +12 dB gain block afterward, I was able to hear the quality of the IR tone, but it still wasn't as loud as the bypassed cab sound. Most of the IRs I use (3rd party, aftermarket) actually have the opposite issue - they're much louder than the dry tone. I'm not sure if it's a byproduct of the conversion, of the mic used, or simply your EQ preferences when creating the IR as well, but what I heard was very very dark - akin to rolling a tone control almost all the way off; not a sound I identify with the Bass Array cabs. So I'm thinking there was something lost in translation here. But I do thank you very much for giving this a shot!! I'm still really interested in getting and using good IRs of a BA12-3 and/or 210-3, both of which I use. I lack the knowledge and good acoustic space to make solid ones myself, I'm afraid.

In Logic it doesn’t come out dark but there was a setting if I remember correctly that showed -3db.

I will see if I can re-convolve it tonight. Be cool if we can get it to work.