Genzler Amplification Club

[GroovyBaby]

There’s one on GC used site!

Temptation! I must have gotten lucky as I think I paid $600 shipped for my TV12 as an open box unit. I might contact a few places that have them in stock and see how flexible they are on the prices. GC has the TV12 and the MG212.

 

[jjk2007]

I got to spend some time with the re/Q tonight. Definitely some good tones to be found in that box. I did notice some noise introduced when engaging the the filters and EQ. Nothing that I’ll hear live but I happened to have an empty house for a little bit tonight so I cranked things up and noticed it. I’ll give it the run through Friday night at the gig and see what I can dial in.

 

[64jazzbass]

@Jeff Genzler and everyone else, thanks for the feedback! That settles it for me. I was suffering some option paralysis but the points made are good ones. I love the idea of two TV12s as it’s Uber portable and plenty of volume. I’m going to look for a good deal on another TV12. So, if any of you have a used one you are looking to sell….

PM me. I have a slightly used one for sale

 

[agedhorse]

I got to spend some time with the re/Q tonight. Definitely some good tones to be found in that box. I did notice some noise introduced when engaging the the filters and EQ. Nothing that I’ll hear live but I happened to have an empty house for a little bit tonight so I cranked things up and noticed it. I’ll give it the run through Friday night at the gig and see what I can dial in.

When using the eq, there will be a slight increase in the noise floor due to the number of eq filters and that noise will be greater with any boost because ANY noise in the signal path will be boosted by exactly the same amount.

The noise floor change in the HPF/LPF filter path will be quite a bit lower in general because there is no signal gain in that path... but there is still gain that's applied to the signal via global feedback and there's always going to be a couple dB of noise with this mechanism.

 

[jjk2007]

When using the eq, there will be a slight increase in the noise floor due to the number of eq filters and that noise will be greater with any boost because ANY noise in the signal path will be boosted by exactly the same amount.

The noise floor change in the HPF/LPF filter path will be quite a bit lower in general because there is no signal gain in that path... but there is still gain that's applied to the signal via global feedback and there's always going to be a couple dB of noise with this mechanism.

Thanks for the details Andy. I really had things cranked up and just a few feet away from the cab. And to have the kids and Wife out of the house made it so I could hear a pin drop! I know it will be a non factor come gig time. Looking forward to it.

 

[agedhorse]

Thanks for the details Andy. I really had things cranked up and just a few feet away from the cab. And to have the kids and Wife out of the house made it so I could hear a pin drop! I know it will be a non factor come gig time. Looking forward to it.

You actually bring up a good point though... how quiet is quiet enough?

To put this in perspective, Jeff posted earlier that Dave Swift tested the RE/Q out against some serious competition when looking for a new pedal that could do several eq/filter things at one time and chose the RE/Q to use on recording sessions for an upcoming Rod Stewart project. The noise floor was not an issue even for this type of application. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

Another thing to consider is the power supply that you are using, if a very low noise floor is desired, it's helpful to use one of the high quality isolated units that are more often seen sold into the higher end guitar world pedalboards where noise is generally a much bigger issue.

 

[jjk2007]

You actually bring up a good point though... how quiet is quiet enough?

To put this in perspective, Jeff posted earlier that Dave Swift tested the RE/Q out against some serious competition when looking for a new pedal that could do several eq/filter things at one time and chose the RE/Q to use on recording sessions for an upcoming Rod Stewart project. The noise floor was not an issue even for this type of application. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

Another thing to consider is the power supply that you are using, if a very low noise floor is desired, it's helpful to use one of the high quality isolated units that are more often seen sold into the higher end guitar world pedalboards where noise is generally a much bigger issue.

I’ve never been a pedal guy…what power supply would you recommend for the re/Q??

 

[agedhorse]

Here’s a good start: The 10 best pedalboard power supplies 2022: boost your 'board with our recommended pedal power supplies

 

[Jamie Hale]

I’ve never been a pedal guy…what power supply would you recommend for the re/Q??

I defer to @agedhorse’s brilliance and background, or someone like @Joeykun …since I do love pedalboards, though, and like both guitars and keyboards along with primarily bass and often reamp, I have tried several brands and had good success with the 1spot or Cioks DC series. Both are quiet and easy to change power level or board location, and work with Genzler, Helix, Strymon, Chase Bliss…. I used to use Voodoo but switched. I have a house with poor consistency of local power and a lot of competing power-hungry devices (mother-in-law’s oxygen machines for example) and used to have issues. Probably still do—oh, wrong board for that!

 

[Loring]

I’ve never been a pedal guy…what power supply would you recommend for the re/Q??

The CIOKS products are probably the best out there right now- they also make the eventide supplies.

 

[Joeykun]

Surprised the CIOKS is not on that list? I use the CIOKS DC-10 on my pedalboard. Small footprint, packs power and is a quality power supply!

When I use the re/Q on my board I set the EQ output level at unity gain. I’m not trying to boost anything, more like tone shaping. Definitely has a lower noise floor.

 

[tombowlus]

Surprised the CIOKS is not on that list? I use the CIOKS DC-10 on my pedalboard. Small footprint, packs power and is a quality power supply!

When I use the re/Q on my board I set the EQ output level at unity gain. I’m not trying to boost anything, more like tone shaping. Definitely has a lower noise floor.

+1 I am a big fan of Cioks.

 

[Jamvan]

I used either the CS6 or CS12 from 1Spot for quite a while until my current board where I needed many more 18v options so went with a DC7 from CIOKS. I've been very happy with it with my only (teensy-tiny) gripe being the proprietary power cables. I've been very pleased and appreciated the expandable nature of it if I ever need to link it with another CIOKs in the future.

The 1Spot sources are really good though too.

 

[dwellers]

Finally got to gig my Genzler rig the other day at a small outdoor party/stage with the MG800, BA15 and BA210. Wow, just wow. Loud, articulate and present. Didn't break a sweat with a drummer and two loud Marshall amps in the mix. An iPhone recording confirmed that it was as I thought. I could hear myself well on stage and felt confident I was being heard for miles around.

Also, +1 on the Cioks power supply. I have one of the smaller units but it installed beautifully into the bottom of my Nano+ pedalboard. So neat and clean.

Finally...for those with the Re/Q...I am on the fence as to whether I need yet another tone shaping control. I have a Darkglass clean pre in front of the 800 along with a compressor and all my basses are active. Can anyone make an argument for more shaping? Plus, if I buy a Re/Q, in the paraphrased words of Chief Brody, "I think we're gonna need a bigger pedal."

 

[Jamvan]

Finally got to gig my Genzler rig the other day at a small outdoor party/stage with the MG800, BA15 and BA210. Wow, just wow. Loud, articulate and present. Didn't break a sweat with a drummer and two loud Marshall amps in the mix. An iPhone recording confirmed that it was as I thought. I could hear myself well on stage and felt confident I was being heard for miles around.

Also, +1 on the Cioks power supply. I have one of the smaller units but it installed beautifully into the bottom of my Nano+ pedalboard. So neat and clean.

Finally...for those with the Re/Q...I am on the fence as to whether I need yet another tone shaping control. I have a Darkglass clean pre in front of the 800 along with a compressor and all my basses are active. Can anyone make an argument for more shaping? Plus, if I buy a Re/Q, in the paraphrased words of Chief Brody, "I think we're gonna need a bigger pedal."

Approach your eval of the Re/Q not as “another” but rather as an “instead of”. I had a Pre on my board (Broughton Messenger) for quick EQ/hpf/lpf adjustments live on the fly. I didn’t use the DI on it as I have a separate DI I prefer in my board so the Re/Q was used as a replacement for my Pre.

Now I also run an MG800 and the EQ points on the Re/Q mesh perfectly with the EQ points on the head giving me, in essence, an 8 band EQ between them. The switchable filters are gravy at that point.

With that said, I don’t use it for tone shaping per se. I use it for room shaping as I’m happy with my tone pretty flat but some rooms/stages are just a pain in the rear to escape the mud/resonance and this pedal works perfectly (for me) for that. Good luck!

 

[dwellers]

Approach your eval of the Re/Q not as “another” but rather as an “instead of”. I had a Pre on my board (Broughton Messenger) for quick EQ/hpf/lpf adjustments live on the fly. I didn’t use the DI on it as I have a separate DI I prefer in my board so the Re/Q was used as a replacement for my Pre.

Now I also run an MG800 and the EQ points on the Re/Q mesh perfectly with the EQ points on the head giving me, in essence, an 8 band EQ between them. The switchable filters are gravy at that point.

With that said, I don’t use it for tone shaping per se. I use it for room shaping as I’m happy with my tone pretty flat but some rooms/stages are just a pain in the rear to escape the mud/resonance and this pedal works perfectly (for me) for that. Good luck!

Well said! Room shaping is an extremely descriptive and helpful explanation. Thank you!

 

[agedhorse]

CIOKS is another good choice.

 

[sideFX]

Hello everyone, I made a thread in the amps section but was told to ask here as well, so here's my question:

What are the center frequencies which are cut or boosted when using the Contour knob on each mode?

I'm fully aware of how the contour works, featuring 2 modes, one for scooping the sound and the second one bumping the mids and rolling of the highs and ultra lows, for a more vintage sound.

Please don't tell me to RTFM, in fact I did and there none such info there.

Thanks!

 

[RColie]

Hello everyone, I made a thread in the amps section but was told to ask here as well, so here's my question:

What are the center frequencies which are cut or boosted when using the Contour knob on each mode?

I'm fully aware of how the contour works, featuring 2 modes, one for scooping the sound and the second one bumping the mids and rolling of the highs and ultra lows, for a more vintage sound.

Please don't tell me to RTFM, in fact I did and there none such info there.

Thanks!

Bass Gear magazine did an extensive review of the MG800. The review included frequency sweeps of all the tone-shaping functions. I believe you can access the review at Bass Gear magazine's web site.

 

[Joeykun]

Here is the link to Bass Gear Magazine’s in depth review…

Amp Lab – Genzler Magellan 800 | Bass Gear Magazine