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[jdhunz68]

My Genzler Bass Array Tower of Power is just hours away from being complete...the third cabinet is out for delivery and should arrive at the house in the next couple hours! VERY excited.

Ahead of delivery, I am hoping to get some guidance about the optimal approach for hooking up the three cabinets to my Crest Pro-Lite 3.0...running them off one channel, bridging the amp, etc. etc. Thoughts welcome! Below is a link to the Crest spec sheet for reference. THANK YOU!

Specification Sheet - Crest Audio Pro-LITE 2.0 / 3.0 Owner's Manual [Page 33]

Lonnybass

It’s like Xmas…in May!!! Can’t wait to see everything together!

 

[Lonnybass]

Don't run 3 cabinets in bridge mode, the amp's rared for 4 ohms minimum load bridged.

That leaves 2 cabinets on one channel and 1 cabinet on the other channel (presuming they are all 8 ohm cabs) in DUAL mono mode.

Thank you! Don’t know if you remember from about six years ago, but you were quite helpful in my taking the plunge into the Crest

Yes, so all three cabinets are identical 8 ohm Bass Array 12/3s. Any guidance as to how to set volume levels evenly across the two channels and the three cabinets? I’ve never put together a rig like this before…the ability to run a three-stack line array is almost too much fun!!

 

[Lonnybass]

It’s like Xmas…in May!!! Can’t wait to see everything together!

Right??? I also just got a RE/Q!! Pics coming as soon as I get it all put together.

 

[agedhorse]

Thank you! Don’t know if you remember from about six years ago, but you were quite helpful in my taking the plunge into the Crest

Yes, so all three cabinets are identical 8 ohm Bass Array 12/3s. Any guidance as to how to set volume levels evenly across the two channels and the three cabinets? I’ve never put together a rig like this before…the ability to run a three-stack line array is almost too much fun!!

For power amps like that, the input sensitivity controls set to the same levels will guarantee that you have the same power per speaker.

 

[Lonnybass]

For power amps like that, the input sensitivity controls set to the same levels will guarantee that you have the same power per speaker.

Beautiful- thank you!

 

[bebass]

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Here is the 15 on the left, next to the 210. Slightly shorter. Slightly snarlier in the mids. I did an “initial thoughts” comparison on the Nu-Classic thread. I’m still trying to pick my second Nu-Classic cab to go with my NC-112.

Yeah, I have tested all the NC cabs including the NC115. I was hoping to hear from others that had gone ahead with the double 15. A pair of 15’s have lots of speaker real estate, and with the 800 watts rating.

 

[Lonnybass]

Possibly the most exciting addition to my newly coming-together Genzler Bass Array rig:

The Genzler rig dolly brand-appropriate wheel casters.

 

[bebass]

Thank you! Don’t know if you remember from about six years ago, but you were quite helpful in my taking the plunge into the Crest

Yes, so all three cabinets are identical 8 ohm Bass Array 12/3s. Any guidance as to how to set volume levels evenly across the two channels and the three cabinets? I’ve never put together a rig like this before…the ability to run a three-stack line array is almost too much fun!!

I used to run a large 2-channel power amp in my setup.
I would choose simplicity and run all three cabs on one channel.

Or you could explore running the 2 cabs clean on one channel and a 2nd pre-amp to the other channel with mild distortion for the 3rd cab. You should be able to adjust gain by ear if you choose to use two channels. No real reason to do so that I see as that amp has plenty of power to get extremely loud, on one amp channel, with 3 cabs.

Ah wait, best solution is to get more cabs for a 3-cab stack per side, then adjust gain same on both channels…

 

[Tooltrocity]

Hey Genzler folk, I could use some input on a new rig if you guys wouldn't mind giving some insight. If this isn't the place for this and I should just make this its own thread, let me know.

I currently have a Shuttlemax 6.0 and GK Neo 212 II. This setup isn't ideal for me because it's both heavy, awkward to move, and too large for most places I play nowadays. The Shuttlemax is great, but it's wide and doesn't fit in my backpacks, so it gets carried by hand. Moving the 212 is annoying because most of the places I've played have smaller stages so it's just overkill for its size. I'll buy anything if it's shiny and made by Jeff since I love my Shuttlemax so I'm pretty set on a Magellan 800 as a replacement head.

My question is mostly about the cabs. The BA series is too expensive for what I want to spend right now. I'm open to the V series cabs, but I liked the Nu Classic sound more overall, so I'm between three setups:

- Nu Classic 12" + Nu Classic 2x10"
- Nu Classic 12" x 2
- Nu Classic 12" + 2x12"

Right now, I'm not interested in a 2x10 x 2 setup because it seems like it would be lacking in the lows, unless I'm just way off base on that one. I've watched all of the Andy Irvine and Nathan Navarro demos on YouTube and my biggest takeaway is that the 12" cabs are fuller in lows and low mids, but have rolled off highs, while the 2x10 seems low-mid/mid focused with less low end. Weirdly, in the Navarro's demos, the 2x12 sounded like it had more highs, which throws me off a bit because my impression of the single 12 is that it has more muted highs. I'm doing the classic "I don't want to sacrifice any part of my sound" dance and don't want to lose any highs or definition, but it felt to me like the 210s were muted enough in the lows that I noticed. I'm not sure if my ears are off so any real world input is welcome.

My band plays rock, reggae, and funk music. We play 2-3 larger shows a year outdoors, always with PA support, so it makes sense to have a modular stack geared towards smaller venues, which have between 25 and 100 people. I'd also like to use a single cab for practice.

Thanks for your input!

 

[dwellers]

Hey Genzler folk, I could use some input on a new rig if you guys wouldn't mind giving some insight. If this isn't the place for this and I should just make this its own thread, let me know.

I currently have a Shuttlemax 6.0 and GK Neo 212 II. This setup isn't ideal for me because it's both heavy, awkward to move, and too large for most places I play nowadays. The Shuttlemax is great, but it's wide and doesn't fit in my backpacks, so it gets carried by hand. Moving the 212 is annoying because most of the places I've played have smaller stages so it's just overkill for its size. I'll buy anything if it's shiny and made by Jeff since I love my Shuttlemax so I'm pretty set on a Magellan 800 as a replacement head.

My question is mostly about the cabs. The BA series is too expensive for what I want to spend right now. I'm open to the V series cabs, but I liked the Nu Classic sound more overall, so I'm between three setups:

- Nu Classic 12" + Nu Classic 2x10"
- Nu Classic 12" x 2
- Nu Classic 12" + 2x12"

Right now, I'm not interested in a 2x10 x 2 setup because it seems like it would be lacking in the lows, unless I'm just way off base on that one. I've watched all of the Andy Irvine and Nathan Navarro demos on YouTube and my biggest takeaway is that the 12" cabs are fuller in lows and low mids, but have rolled off highs, while the 2x10 seems low-mid/mid focused with less low end. Weirdly, in the Navarro's demos, the 2x12 sounded like it had more highs, which throws me off a bit because my impression of the single 12 is that it has more muted highs. I'm doing the classic "I don't want to sacrifice any part of my sound" dance and don't want to lose any highs or definition, but it felt to me like the 210s were muted enough in the lows that I noticed. I'm not sure if my ears are off so any real world input is welcome.

My band plays rock, reggae, and funk music. We play 2-3 larger shows a year outdoors, always with PA support, so it makes sense to have a modular stack geared towards smaller venues, which have between 25 and 100 people. I'd also like to use a single cab for practice.

Thanks for your input!

I have to say that I am partial, and have been for quite awhile, to a 115 + 210 approach. Gives you three different rigs that all have their place/time. I have that config with BAs but I would do that combination with just about cab maker/model. I would love to hear the NC15 and NC210 together...I'm sure it kills. I just love the extension from the combination, clarity and presence from the 10s (which are closer to ear level on top of the 15) and the kick in the chops the 15 gives you. My two.

 

[SteveC]

I started with an MG800 and a BA12-3. Sounded great. More than I needed. This isn't on your list, but I use it for jazz quartet type gigs - inside and out - and sometimes with a louder contemporary jazz/soul quartet with guitar, drums, keys and me. It's easy to carry and has been plenty loud. Surprisingly loud actually. And takes a B string pretty well. MG350/12T-V Combo. Easily the nicest combo amp I've had. Of course before this I had a Benz Benz Shuttle 3.0T-10 Combo.

If your Shuttlemax and 212 are more than you need, and you otherwise have PA support, I'd really give this combo a look.

 

[Texican]

Hey Genzler folk, I could use some input on a new rig if you guys wouldn't mind giving some insight. If this isn't the place for this and I should just make this its own thread, let me know.

I currently have a Shuttlemax 6.0 and GK Neo 212 II. This setup isn't ideal for me because it's both heavy, awkward to move, and too large for most places I play nowadays. The Shuttlemax is great, but it's wide and doesn't fit in my backpacks, so it gets carried by hand. Moving the 212 is annoying because most of the places I've played have smaller stages so it's just overkill for its size. I'll buy anything if it's shiny and made by Jeff since I love my Shuttlemax so I'm pretty set on a Magellan 800 as a replacement head.

My question is mostly about the cabs. The BA series is too expensive for what I want to spend right now. I'm open to the V series cabs, but I liked the Nu Classic sound more overall, so I'm between three setups:

- Nu Classic 12" + Nu Classic 2x10"
- Nu Classic 12" x 2
- Nu Classic 12" + 2x12"

Right now, I'm not interested in a 2x10 x 2 setup because it seems like it would be lacking in the lows, unless I'm just way off base on that one. I've watched all of the Andy Irvine and Nathan Navarro demos on YouTube and my biggest takeaway is that the 12" cabs are fuller in lows and low mids, but have rolled off highs, while the 2x10 seems low-mid/mid focused with less low end. Weirdly, in the Navarro's demos, the 2x12 sounded like it had more highs, which throws me off a bit because my impression of the single 12 is that it has more muted highs. I'm doing the classic "I don't want to sacrifice any part of my sound" dance and don't want to lose any highs or definition, but it felt to me like the 210s were muted enough in the lows that I noticed. I'm not sure if my ears are off so any real world input is welcome.

My band plays rock, reggae, and funk music. We play 2-3 larger shows a year outdoors, always with PA support, so it makes sense to have a modular stack geared towards smaller venues, which have between 25 and 100 people. I'd also like to use a single cab for practice.

Thanks for your input!

Lack of lows was NOT my impression at all when trying the 210 along side the 115 and the 112. I bought the 112 for the size (as I want at least one tiny cab) and haven’t made up my mind on the second cab yet. But if I had to have one stand alone Nu-Classic cab (and the 4 ohm 212 wasn’t allowed) I’d probably go with the 210 based on what I heard when actually playing them. It sounded slightly “deeper” to me than the 115, but that might be because the 115 seemed to have more aggressive mids. Sometimes a lack of one frequency makes other frequencies seem boosted when they aren’t. What I can tell you is that they all sound great and don’t lack low end.

 

[jdhunz68]

@Tooltrocity my son is now running the Nu 212 and the new Nu 115 with the MG800 head and it is a crazy good combo that gives him the ability to produce so many tones. He started with the MG/212 and we (ok, I as it was a surprise to my wife) got him the 115...once she heard the two together, she agreed...it was worth it. What @dwellers and @SteveC said, the Genzler gear gives you great options without sacrificing tone.

Last night he was playing around with just the 115 and hand muting - I could have sworn he had an upright. Then he switched to just the 212, played with his pedals and had that crisp, clean funk sound as he was practicing some Herbie Hancock tunes. He wouldn't get that with the 115 alone, obviously. Then he combines it all back together and things thump brightly, if that makes sense.

It's great to know that depending on what he's playing that he has those options and it's all portable and a minimal footprint.

Hope that helps...

 

[bebass]

Hey Genzler folk, I could use some input on a new rig if you guys wouldn't mind giving some insight. If this isn't the place for this and I should just make this its own thread, let me know.

I currently have a Shuttlemax 6.0 and GK Neo 212 II. This setup isn't ideal for me because it's both heavy, awkward to move, and too large for most places I play nowadays. The Shuttlemax is great, but it's wide and doesn't fit in my backpacks, so it gets carried by hand. Moving the 212 is annoying because most of the places I've played have smaller stages so it's just overkill for its size. I'll buy anything if it's shiny and made by Jeff since I love my Shuttlemax so I'm pretty set on a Magellan 800 as a replacement head.

My question is mostly about the cabs. The BA series is too expensive for what I want to spend right now. I'm open to the V series cabs, but I liked the Nu Classic sound more overall, so I'm between three setups:

- Nu Classic 12" + Nu Classic 2x10"
- Nu Classic 12" x 2
- Nu Classic 12" + 2x12"

Right now, I'm not interested in a 2x10 x 2 setup because it seems like it would be lacking in the lows, unless I'm just way off base on that one. I've watched all of the Andy Irvine and Nathan Navarro demos on YouTube and my biggest takeaway is that the 12" cabs are fuller in lows and low mids, but have rolled off highs, while the 2x10 seems low-mid/mid focused with less low end. Weirdly, in the Navarro's demos, the 2x12 sounded like it had more highs, which throws me off a bit because my impression of the single 12 is that it has more muted highs. I'm doing the classic "I don't want to sacrifice any part of my sound" dance and don't want to lose any highs or definition, but it felt to me like the 210s were muted enough in the lows that I noticed. I'm not sure if my ears are off so any real world input is welcome.

My band plays rock, reggae, and funk music. We play 2-3 larger shows a year outdoors, always with PA support, so it makes sense to have a modular stack geared towards smaller venues, which have between 25 and 100 people. I'd also like to use a single cab for practice.

Thanks for your input!

#3 is my vote

 

[Holdsg]

I'd always prefer 2 x 2/12 over a 2/12. I don't really know why, other than you can use just the single 12 for prax more easily.

 

[Tooltrocity]

Ok so I am off base thinking the 210s are lacking lows. It's always hard to tell from YouTube videos so I'm glad someone said something. I like the idea of the 350 + 112 combo but I'm always apprehensive about having less juice than I need. I really wish the BA series was in my price range because that seems to get tons of praise.

...I’d probably go with the 210 based on what I heard when actually playing them. It sounded slightly “deeper” to me than the 115, but that might be because the 115 seemed to have more aggressive mids. Sometimes a lack of one frequency makes other frequencies seem boosted when they aren’t.

I hadn't considered that, that's a good point. I like the idea of the smaller cab after dragging this 212 around forever. How would you compare the sound to the 210? Do you tend to mess with your EQ a lot or is it mostly consistent? What genres do you play?

Last night he was playing around with just the 115 and hand muting - I could have sworn he had an upright. Then he switched to just the 212, played with his pedals and had that crisp, clean funk sound as he was practicing some Herbie Hancock tunes. He wouldn't get that with the 115 alone, obviously. Then he combines it all back together and things thump brightly, if that makes sense.

Yeah this makes sense to me. That also confirms what I was hearing about the highs in the 212 - I hear them MUCH more clearly from that cab in all the demos. Are the highs from that 212 similar to the single 12?

 

[Texican]

I hadn't considered that, that's a good point. I like the idea of the smaller cab after dragging this 212 around forever. How would you compare the sound to the 210? Do you tend to mess with your EQ a lot or is it mostly consistent? What genres do you play?

I tend to start with my EQ flat and then adjust for the room. I also believe that cutting frequencies often yields better results than boosting, depending on what you’re trying to “correct”. Not a hard and fast rule for me though.

I play most genres (some more convincingly than others) but my style and roots on bass are very James Jamerson/Pino Palladino/Sean Hurley/etc. Unfortunately (for me at least) San Antonio is a very hard rock and metal city, so most of my gigs end up being heavier music, which I’m not a huge fan of.

I went back today and put a deposit down of the 115. Tried both cabs again with my bass this time, and preferred the 115…………. Because it was a little bit smaller! They all sound great. Now I have a stand alone gig capable cab with the 115, a super portable light weight low volume gig capable cab with the 112, and a mega stack if I need it.

 

[Joeykun]

I’ve played thru the NC210/112 stack and the NC210/115 stack. Both sound great and have that punch and clarity that Genzler cabs are known for.

But, I’d have to say that NC210/115 stack was simply amazing! Nice round bottom end without that boominess and the nice mid/high mid tightness of the 210s. Plus, the tweeters bring in some sparkle but never harsh. Just adds the right amount and keeping it Classic!

This cab setup with the Magellan 800 is the way to go if you need a light weight setup with a small footprint but not sacrificing tone!!

Here is a photo showing the size compared to my Bass Array 410/115 rig.

 

[Holdsg]

I tend to start with my EQ flat and then adjust for the room. I also believe that cutting frequencies often yields better results than boosting, depending on what you’re trying to “correct”. Not a hard and fast rule for me though.

I play most genres (some more convincingly than others) but my style and roots on bass are very James Jamerson/Pino Palladino/Sean Hurley/etc. Unfortunately (for me at least) San Antonio is a very hard rock and metal city, so most of my gigs end up being heavier music, which I’m not a huge fan of.

I went back today and put a deposit down of the 115. Tried both cabs again with my bass this time, and preferred the 115…………. Because it was a little bit smaller! They all sound great. Now I have a stand alone gig capable cab with the 115, a super portable light weight low volume gig capable cab with the 112, and a mega stack if I need it.

this is the way

 

[woody357]

Would I mess up my MG800 with two NU Classic 212 cabinets? I know the MG800 is not rated for 2ohm load but I was wondering