edwinhurwitz
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Well, my point isn't so much that the DI is great, and it has worked well for me, but that the array speakers will give you a reasonably accurate idea of what's going to FOH.
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Well, my point isn't so much that the DI is great, and it has worked well for me, but that the array speakers will give you a reasonably accurate idea of what's going to FOH.
edwinhurwitz
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There's no reason you can't use the modeler with the Magellan amp. The amp can be quite transparent. I suppose Jeff could build the power section into the speaker. He could speak to those challenges. I run mine pretty flat.
Working with the Magellan amp option, or any similarly featured head, would running your modeler/preamp (I'm thinking Helix Stomp) into the FX Return function the same as a powered cab? Not fully sure of the amp architecture but it does indicate 'Power Amp In, Line Level' so does that bypass all the front panel gain and EQ controls?
"EFX LOOP – A rear panel effects loop (SEND and RECEIVE jacks) is provided for connecting “serial” outboard devices such as compressors and may also be used for parallel type outboard devices (delays, reverbs, harmonizers, octavers etc.) by using the mix control located on the outboard device. This loop is located right before the MASTER VOLUME control and is also intended as a Preamp Out / Power Amp In connection for possible “chaining” of amplifiers in a Master / Slave configuration. The effects loop contains a “normal switch” in the RECEIVE jack that interrupts the signal path when a plug is inserted into the RECEIVE jack. The SEND jack may be used for an aux. output without breaking the signal path."
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Joeykun
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I run a Quad Cortex into my Magellan 800 with amp being flat using contour A around the 10oclock position. I have the BA410-3/BA210-3 cab setup!
Sound = Amazing!
Are you using the QC for just effects or employing any amp/cab modeling?
Joeykun
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The Quad is basically my pedalboard. No amp/cab modeling. I created my own tone setup and use effects on certain songs, etc.
However, I am doing fly dates starting next week with no amp backline and strictly using the Quad with monitors!
edwinhurwitz
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That would be the equivalent of a powered cab, but I don't see that you lose anything by going into the instrument input and you can gain some excellent tweaking ability to adjust to the room, etc. It's not like the Magellan heads are inherently colored in a way that would fight with your amp sims. For example, I would never recommend that you do this with an SVT, unless you like it, of course! If it sounds good, it is good.
I agree. I know that's kind of what that aux in is for, but I find I get better sound and control (like you said room tweaks) by just going into the instrument input flat.
Well, looks like I’ll be joining these ranks. I’ve long used a Genz Benz Shuttle 3.0 10T for low-volume use cases, but I’ve ordered a series 2 Magellan 350 combo to supplant it.
The Shuttle combos were and are quite good indeed- I have one, myself. You will be astonished by the Genzler combo, though. Be prepared.
Hang on to your Shuttle combo, and you'll have a combo-to-go as well as one to play through at home if you leave the Genzler combo at a venue. That's what I do.
Question for those that may have had some different cab experiences with their Genzler head. I currently have a Mesa Subway 215 and two Hartke HD210 cabs. I use the 210 cabs for most indoor gigs and they sound great and even better with my Genzler head. The 215 is used for either outdoor or large room shows (not often large rooms for us) and it is a different animal. I love the 10's and if I was to eventually look at getting either two BA210s or maybe a BA210 and NC210, what kind of sound differences could I expect compared with the Hartke cabs I am running now.
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I did the same thing with the series 1 combo and extension cabinet. It continues to amaze me at how much more situations that it will handle compared to the Shuttle
Kim
Hey everyone. I'm about to pull the trigger now on either the Bass Array 12-3 or 10-2 cab - still cannot make my mind up and hoping you guys/girls can help me out.
The 12-3/10-2 will be paired with a Magellan 350 and will be mainly used in my bedroom studio for recordings and solo bedroom jams.
With the above requirements in mind, will I be better off with the 12-3 or 10-2? Will the 12-3 be "overkill" for my needs? For those who have both, which sounds better at "lower volumes"?
Thanks in advance for your help.
The 12-3/10-2 will be paired with a Magellan 350 and will be mainly used in my bedroom studio for recordings and solo bedroom jams.
With the above requirements in mind, will I be better off with the 12-3 or 10-2? Will the 12-3 be "overkill" for my needs? For those who have both, which sounds better at "lower volumes"?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Can’t go wrong either way. But for bedroom I’d prob go with the 10-2.
I do have both and use the 10-2 in my practice space. You can always add another 10-2 or a 12-3 if needed later in a band setting. I do use the 10-2 for band rehearsals and some gigs. So it’s a strong option for lots of applications.
I do have both and use the 10-2 in my practice space. You can always add another 10-2 or a 12-3 if needed later in a band setting. I do use the 10-2 for band rehearsals and some gigs. So it’s a strong option for lots of applications.
I don't have both, but my 12-3 is just fine at lower volume levels (bedroom) as well as gigs.
You just have to decide whether 2 speakers is better than one (often is, but with the array, the advantage of 2 versus one is diminished, IME and YMMV). Sorry that might not help you decide, but you really can't go wrong with either.
You just have to decide whether 2 speakers is better than one (often is, but with the array, the advantage of 2 versus one is diminished, IME and YMMV). Sorry that might not help you decide, but you really can't go wrong with either.
I have both in first generation models. I like both and use both, together and individually. I play in two moderate volume bands plus a church band. In the 1st gen, I would choose the 12-3. It just gives more richness and fullness in the bottom than the 10-2. The 10-2 is not lacking and I use mine both individually and in a pair, but of those two, just on sound, I would pick the 12-3. It would clearly be more than you need (as would the 10-2 for just playing at home). All that said, everything I've read sounds like the 2nd generation 10-2 has more of everything than the 1st generation one had... so that may change the calculus.
As has been said, the 10-2 in either generation punches way above its weight class. It is adequate on its own for many gigs and does not sound like the tiny cab it is. It does weigh less and has a smaller footprint, both characteristics could be important for your use. The first generation 10-2 would certainly meet your needs and more and the 2nd generation would be more so. The 12-3 1st gen is a killer cab while the 2nd gen is reported to be better yet. And the 2nd gen cabs weigh less. Bottom line is that any of those choices would be wonderful.
I toy with the idea of adding a 2nd gen cab to my rig for lower weight and improved sonics and like you, go back and forth between the two models. Thus far, the deciding factor has been that I really don't need another cab... and if I were to make a purchase, looking at some of the super light weight cabs that are now available may make more sense for my old back. I've heard the GR superlights and have been really impressed with them. Very punchy and aggressive sounding cabs... I haven't heard the lightweight Markbass cabs.
Sonically, the 12-3.
If the room is small, go 10-2 then boost bass as desired. The 12-3 is kind of a deep cab physically in tight quarters. Also easier to place the 10-2 on a riser.
Put the Magellan in 2 ohm mode for a happier family/neighbors.
If it’s going to be used in a small setting about 80% of the time, I too would get the 10-2. I have a 12-3 and a 15-3 in a small home studio space. In the studio space, which is about 18x16’, I hardly ever go past 9 o clock on gain and master volume on my MG800. The 10-2 might have a little less bass than the 12-3 but you can quickly solve that with the parametric eq. Whichever way you go is probably fine.
