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Genzler Amplification Club
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edwinhurwitz
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That was my rig for quite a while! The Alembic/Crest combination is hard to beat (although I used the F-2B with the IN-2 input module with the Alembic electronics in my Starfire). However, since getting a pair of MG350s, I haven't played through that rig at all.
Damnit. I feel I like I shoulda just waited on my big rig. I have the Magellan 800. An I’ use a Spector LT Euro 5 with onboard darkglass tone cap. I bought a sushi UA pre to help get just that tuby sound. Prob is I think the darkglass pre isn’t just my thing. thr mids only get to about 2k
An there is no treble. But I love the genzler eq an the way Jeff sets things. It’s reminding me of alembic. Like clean a super Hinfi sound an almost lets yoh do all the coloring if you want which is what im learning is my style. I still love the Magellan for it Eq options. It’s so good but can’t lie between the wanting a new pre that was cleaner an what not I wonder if that the kenetic would be close to one stop fix all vs having the Magellan both would be awesome maybe I’ll save up but to have both seems idk. We will see but I’m gassing for it
An there is no treble. But I love the genzler eq an the way Jeff sets things. It’s reminding me of alembic. Like clean a super Hinfi sound an almost lets yoh do all the coloring if you want which is what im learning is my style. I still love the Magellan for it Eq options. It’s so good but can’t lie between the wanting a new pre that was cleaner an what not I wonder if that the kenetic would be close to one stop fix all vs having the Magellan both would be awesome maybe I’ll save up but to have both seems idk. We will see but I’m gassing for it
I have put Jeff through the wringer on questions on the 15”. Cause I was to Newb coming in. I will say now I’ve been playing live an around the genzler SLT array is one of the best 15” you can get that you can use stand alone or even in addition. I have a mesa subway 2x10. But eventually I think I’m going to get rid of 15” an get another 2x10. I think for my jam
Band needs I don’t need the 15” an it’s deep hitting but I will say the tweets and the STl makes it have more mids an highs then any other 15” I played through an it’s smooth. Like it shakes the house but not sharply. It can really be turned down quite a bit a still hit solid I may regret getting rid of it idk. Cause being jam band it’s a lot more festival outdoor sets an having the 15 for the extra just boom onstage to “feel it” an hear more might be the move.
For me now the choice is to sell the Magellan an get the kinetic. Or not. I really love what Jeff does with his sound and I had a feeling that he would eventually have a tubes preamp pedal/or head. So now choices. I mean I have a tubed pre pedla that gives me 1 pre amp tube an it’s pretty grindy. But Idk I have a feeling soon as I hear it ima love it. I like the flat eq an just tuby breakup an add that with Jeff’s Hinfi sound it’s like bass can be a little bit in rhythm guitar section with distortion or breakup while still being punchY on lows. Ugh the series II cabs weren’t to much of a punch in gut cause all the genzler cabs are great but this one ouch! I don’t see the need to have both the Magellan an the pre unless I get to a point I’m full
Time Touring lol but I can’t help but think that head may be a one stop shop for the tone I’m looking for an all. I loved the Magellan an it’s eq range so I can’t imagine that with the tubes.
as an Alembic love I just can’t help but think like either using the kinetic OR idk why id need both heads id rather have Magellan pre amp pedla into K head! That would be prob on par or better the a rack Alembic in its own way. But now having the Magellan head 800 an I know pretty much I’m guna love this thing, tough calls will have to be made! Genzler I love. I just wish I woulda waited! I knew something was coming down the line but then ahaon when I tried the Magellan I loved it so much i had to have it. I
May just enjoy having it now an save up for the pre an eventually have both. I’m sure they would play very well together. But I can’t help but feel id rather have the Magellan be the pedal. Even if the kinetic some how was a pedal.
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Jeff do you think a preamp tubed pedal is in the future? Like a pedal version of the kinetic? Obviously it couldn’t all be contained in a pedla but i just wonder if you guys have something like the Magellan pre with a tube in it somethint to that effect in line? That would be amazing as well although I’ve heard the 4 on floor can sound tuby.
Anyone own or try both the Mesa tube options (TT or WD) and the Kinetix? Wondering how they compare in the categories of tubey goodness and bounce. Currently using a Magellan amp but running a Khan DI and Broughton Slampeeg to add some tubeyness. Wouldn’t mind shrinking the pedalboard by getting tubes in the head.
They do indeed. Wondering how much of that magical dimensionality and weight that the Khan adds might be had through the tube fronts on the Kenetix, TT, or WD.
Making the pedal board lighter / smaller is attractive to me as well. I
I currently have an Arkham Oracle (DI & larger footprint/older model) and a Master Effects Super 800. Kind of waiting for more kinetix videos to show up or perhaps more owner observations to help me decide what I end up doing re keeping my Magellan/Oracle or migrating to the Kinetix. Kind of want to do an A/B but I may need to buy the Kinetic to make that happen. But as I sit here thinking about it selling the Magellan 800 and the Oracle pays for most of the Kinetix.... Hmm..... Then I can keep my bass money for basses
I currently have an Arkham Oracle (DI & larger footprint/older model) and a Master Effects Super 800. Kind of waiting for more kinetix videos to show up or perhaps more owner observations to help me decide what I end up doing re keeping my Magellan/Oracle or migrating to the Kinetix. Kind of want to do an A/B but I may need to buy the Kinetic to make that happen. But as I sit here thinking about it selling the Magellan 800 and the Oracle pays for most of the Kinetix.... Hmm..... Then I can keep my bass money for basses
Life has changed for me so, I don’t get on here as much as I used to but, I’ve got some opinions. I am a big Jeff Genzler fan and have admiration for Agedhorse’s knowledge. If I currently was playing in a band I’d already have a kinetix. The sound samples I’ve heard do seem to have some of that Tubey compression and forgiveness of a good tube preamp. I was hoping for a different eq but, the points are well chosen and seem effective. I have had very little experience with the array cabs. I did like the sound but, for me they probably are a bit too clean. I find that I prefer the more mid grind/growl that you only get from forcing woofers to produce all the frequencies. So for now, I’ll be sticking with my trusty Magellan and some Ampeg or bag end cabs. I will buy a kinetix in the near future and would like to try the ba4103 cab. I could definitely just owning both heads at the same time.
I use a sushi UA with a Magellan 800
Going into mesa 2x10’subway an a genzler 1x15 SLT array. Def getting that tuby sound sushi does a great job a pre amp pedals! I’m really happy with my UA. Idk if I’d need it if I get the kinetic BUT I may just get another UA an have the almsot the same amount of tubes availble I may be able to get close to kenetic the Magellans EQ on both channels an the contour an frequency knobs are what makes the Magellan special but one could get the Magellan pre an run the kinetic head.
Thoughts on running the new Kinetix with my two 12T-V cabs? I've loved the all Mag combo but this new amp....can it get an SVT flavour going?
Oh I’m sure you can just playing with it enough. I’m sure someone will chime in but if the Magellan could get the SVT tone solid I would think the kinetic will nail
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I also run the Khan into a Magellan 800. I love what the Khan brings. Lots of rich harmonic color. And I too have been wondering a lot about both the new Kinetix head and how it would compare to the hybrid Mesa heads and to the Magellan.
The one thing I sometimes (not that often) wish I had was more tube breakup available through the amp head. Having said that, when I play live the signal that FOH receives is from my pedalboard. So whatever breakup a new head would give me would only be for my reference. If I had a little more GAS I would order a Kinetix but in my case it doesn’t make sense to sell the Magellan and take a hit, to try out the tube preamp that would only be for stage use.
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edwinhurwitz
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Nice pedalboard! This is what I have in front of my Genzler these days (I use the Genzler DIs because they sound good and I need stereo, so I can't afford the space on my pedalboard (or the cost of two tube DIs). I think the LA-1A + Genzler is simply a wonderful combination. I use the Royal emulation of the Nobel in the Stomp, which sounds great. I'm thinking of adding a Linden to the board, if I can fit it in there. I need a mini Genzler 4 on the Floor!
Nice rig. Simple but powerful. So how are you running stereo? One channel from your stomp and the other out of the Genzler’s DI?
edwinhurwitz
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Stereo Stomp to two MG350s to two Genzler BA cabs (sometimes three).
Gotcha! That’s pretty versatile and you’ve got a lot of watts with those two heads. Why do you run stereo? Are you using special reverbs or delays? I run two channels when I record but not necessarily stereo, one DI signal and a mic’d cab signal.
