I agree that this would be a great DI as well. I just don't want to set it on the floor next to my board. I don't usually play terrible places, but a $1,300 "DI" on the floor is scary. Although people do put their $2,000 Noble on the floor. I almost put a Magellan preamp/DI pedal on my board, which would also sound great. If I used an amp/cab live this would be a no brainer.
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I suppose with any new product there is some fraction that is not satisfied with "their exact thing".
There are compromises with any product. Understandable that some may still want "more".
I'm going to be extremely happy staying with my Mag800 for what I need in a bass amp.
But it sure would be fun to push those tubes thru a big cab like a fridge and make things shake on the walls.
I believe Jeff has really pushed the boundaries with his latest offering.
There are compromises with any product. Understandable that some may still want "more".
I'm going to be extremely happy staying with my Mag800 for what I need in a bass amp.
But it sure would be fun to push those tubes thru a big cab like a fridge and make things shake on the walls.
I believe Jeff has really pushed the boundaries with his latest offering.
I'm saving my fancy coffee and pastry money until I have a latte dough, then I will buy a Magellan 350 combo and a Kinetix 800. One amp for small gigs and one for bigger gigs. For really big gigs, I'dprobably have to buy another bass array to be named later. In the meantime, it's Maxwell House and rice cakes and a Contour 500.
Thank you, I appreciate it. And yes the Fuchs definitely gets very close to the flavor of an actual SVT Which is what’s it’s going for anyway. It’s got smooth lows and a prominent mid presence, the Genzler is DEFINITELY more versatile though, just like the Magellan, most tones you may want are there you just have to shape it right and it’ll get you there.
The Fuchs and Laney are kind of “cheat sheet” types of amps with that plug and play type of tone, but you’d be hard pressed to try to get clarity you can with the Kinetix, I’m very pleased with it. In fact I made another video where I was just dialing in different tones after another on the Kinetix. But that Video was really all over the place so I didn’t edit and post.
Going in I wasn’t sure if the Kinetix was more like a Magellan with Tubes, it’s really not. The 4 band eq (is it technically 5 band since it’s for high mid, mid and low mid? Or does the mid control just boost and cut the mid frequencies you’ve dialed for hi and low?) already is very different from the Mag heads and Preamp, and the tube drive section is very organic.
Overall I’m very pleased with the amp, this was exactly the type of thing I was waiting for when I had to sell my Magellan. I’m glad to have a Hi-fi amp again, that will still sound organic. And I feel that it’s not redundant having the Fuchs and this amp as they offer totally different tonal palettes.
Overall I’m very pleased with the amp, this was exactly the type of thing I was waiting for when I had to sell my Magellan. I’m glad to have a Hi-fi amp again, that will still sound organic. And I feel that it’s not redundant having the Fuchs and this amp as they offer totally different tonal palettes.
Could you share your impressions of the tonal differences between the Genzler and the Fuchs? Also how does the drive/distortion compare?
It’s a true five band eq.
- Bass - 70Hz
- Lo-Mid - 250Hz
- Mid - 575Hz
- Hi-Mid - 2.3KHz
- Treble - 5KHz
I like that the entire eq range leans low.
I typed out way too much here’s the gist: Fuchs has a very old school, defined mid range, boomy lows and subtle high-end to the tone, while the Genzler offers a way to dial in those tones with enough tone shaping, while offering that trade mark Genzler clarity as a starting point. Driving the tubes is a much simpler process on the Genzler than it is on the Fuchs due to the FBT only having a pre and post gain and no master volume.
this is what I have originally babbled before summarizing haha:
Honestly I haven’t actually driven the Fuchs to distortion much if at all, and that’s partially because of the way the amp behaves when DI’d. So like the Genzler, I believe the FBT DI is connected to the first stage Tube which is the drive tube, the only thing is that there are only two gains, pre and post, and no master, so you can set the gain high to drive the tube but you won’t be able to lower the volume from the head itself, you’d have to lower your gain on your interface or house mixer, in fact the pose gain will not affect your DI signal at all on the Fuchs, only cab volume. So you can’t go “ooh this is a faster song let me drive the tubes real quick” because you’ll blast the house with the increased gain with no way to lower except for FOH, (our foh at church is volunteers that really wouldn’t be able to address that issue correctly). Since the Genzler has a separate volume to manage tube gain, you can drive it to distortion easily at a manageable volume from the head itself, and in the case of the Fuchs, you could too, but only if it’s straight head and cab, without DI.
That said, I know it sounds like I’m blasting the FBT and that’s not my intention, it an incredible amp with beautiful deep, smooth tone that adds a certain body to every note, the amp in general is just littered with quality of life drawbacks that most modern amps address (no speak-on, and the “mute” only mutes cab output and not DI output, for example) but it really did open me up to a whole new world of tone I’d never experienced having only played regular class D heads. The 5 way mid freq switch is where most of your tone shaping comes from, 3 band eq doesn’t made any dramatic changes to tone (except the Lo, that low end is crazy)
the Genzler has a lot more tone shaping option and a easier to use Tube drive section. Over all I think the Fuchs give you a truly old school flavor, and you don’t need to drive the tubes all that much to get that spongy tone, while the Genzler doesn’t look to the past as much, and is a modern sound.
Congratulations on the launch of the Kinetic 800 Jeff Gentler and all those at Genzler Amplification..
I'm having a terrible time deciding between the new Kinetix 800 or just getting an MG 350 along with another 10" array (which would give me 3 10" array cabs) since they'd be the same price getting a discount by buying the combo. Something tells me the MG 350/ Array option is the smarter and more cost effective move but something about the tubes and more power in the Kinetix intrigue me and not sure I really want to deal with 3 cabs. I'm kinda in limbo land waiting for more feedback and comparisons as more people acquire the new amp before making a commitment, but would also like to hear some of your opinions. Option 1 or Option 2; or even Option 3 MG800.
We all benefit from Jeff's participation in this club. Whether it's customer service or simply answering our questions, Jeff has our back. I am sure the Kinetix will make many of us very happy. We should be happy for Jeff. Focus on the positive.
I decided on the Kinetix and 2x BA10-2-S2. A sub 50lbs rig that’s modular and easy to handle. A third cab does sound appealing though.
Thanks a lot for your informative reply!
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I'm sure you'll get some feedback soon from players using the same cabs as you. I would think that going for a 3 cab rig would be a little cumbersome for most applications. I don't think there is a concern using a larger amp with the cabs you have, as long as you're playing within reason (if you went with 2 of the BA10 cabs).
I'm sure you'll hear some helpful comments soon.
I feel like there is enough selection in the Genzler line, between Nu-Classic and array and now tubes and Class D, that I have no bad options and many great ones from which to choose, including mix-and-matching cabs/amps. The possibilities are intriguing.
Sorry if this has already been asked in the past, but has there ever been any talk of getting a BA 15-3 STR cab? I would like to have one, but my plan is to get a BA 210-3 SLT to put on top or bottom of my BA 210-3 STR when I am only running 4 10s. The 15-3 SLT would be fine if putting the 210-3 STR on top or maybe even the 210-3 SLT, but if there was ever a larger show, outdoor or otherwise, where I wanted to run all 3 cabs, that would be a bit much slant for me.
And before it may be highlighted, I would not want a 15 up on top. I want to hear more 10s coming at my ears.
And before it may be highlighted, I would not want a 15 up on top. I want to hear more 10s coming at my ears.
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I don't know that having a 15 on top would be like having other manufacturer's 15 on top. The small drivers in the BA cabs go down pretty low, so, if I understand correctly, the woofer handles from the low mids on down, so you'd get the definition that a non array 10 would give you.
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@Parzival --- There are no plans for a STRAIGHT BA15 design. Part of the magic of that cab is the angular internal geometry which reduces standing waives, thus offering a tighter, less fubby bottom end. The slanted cab is a big part of what this model offers, and the line array is just that much more balance and clarity with the overall response.
Hope this helps. Just one thought --- I've seen one or 2 players use a wedge under the bottom of the cab, to get it to project in a more straight/flat format.
And for your consideration of a 3 stack mega-kit ---- personally, I'd put the BA210-3STR in the middle of both SLT cabs (15 on the bottom) and stand back...way back!
I can tell you a bit from my experience. I hope I'm not too boring. Since it's me, not you we're talking about. But maybe you can learn from my story.
I'm an early adopter and advocate for Jeff and his products, back to Genz-Benz days.
I was an early adopter of the Streamliner, and had Uber cabs with that.
When Jeff started Genzler Amp, I had to have the Mag800 when it first came out, at first paired with a single 12-3 (there were only straight at the time).
I've always been of the mind that you need at least 2 cabs for the best sound. 1 is OK for my upright rig, but with electric, I always seem to want at least 2 of something.
Then, I found a local guy on TB that was selling two 12-3 cabs, so I ended up with 3.
I didn't really need 3, but I did play that stack at one outdoor gig, and it was fantastic sounding.
If you consistently have room in your vehicle of choice, 3 cabs is a pretty cool thing (2.67 ohms).
Fast forward to my joining a Zeppelin tribute band, and I though I'd better get something a bit more RNR looking and sounding, so I opted to sell 2 of my 12-3s, and get the 410-3. Putting the single 12-3 on top of that for my big rig/outdoor rig.
Along the way, I experimented with a single 15-3 for country (more round bottom to my P bass), which it is great for, but that band did not survive Covid, so since 2023 I've had the 2 cabs in my life. 12-3 and 410-3, and I'm very content for the band situations I get involved in.
I don't know what music you are playing. that would make a difference (to me) on what to recommend.
having 2 10s is a nice small stack, perfect for small rooms. If I was playing a lot of outdoor gigs, I'd want more speaker surface area, regardless of which head is pushing it. That's the advantage (IMO and IME) of 12s over 10s. having said that, Jeff's 4-10 is a great cab. Again, surface area and bang-for-buck, being the key thing there.
Hope that helps narrow down your choices, but as many have said many times on here, it's hard to go wrong as long as it has the Genzler name on it.
