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I do this all the time. I have a Zoom H4n recorder and when I can, I use the built in mics to get the room and the inputs to get a board feed.

Just know this about board feeds - 99% you're getting the house mix, meaning that things are mixed for the room not the recording. As a result, if you don't have any bass in the PA, none will be on the recording. Vocals tend to be overly loud on the recording as they usually have to be pushed louder than everything else in the room.

Don't let this stop you from getting a board feed - just know that it may not sound the way you expect.
 
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Daveypoo said:
I do this all the time. I have a Zoom H4n recorder and when I can, I use the built in mics to get the room and the inputs to get a board feed.

Just know this about board feeds - 99% you're getting the house mix, meaning that things are mixed for the room not the recording. As a result, if you don't have any bass in the PA, none will be on the recording. Vocals tend to be overly loud on the recording as they usually have to be pushed louder than everything else in the room.

Don't let this stop you from getting a board feed - just know that it may not sound the way you expect.
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Yeah, thanks for that. That is pretty much what I would have expected. We actually did have a Zoom recorder setup, but for some reason it didn't end up recording :/
 
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Daveypoo said:
I do this all the time. I have a Zoom H4n recorder and when I can, I use the built in mics to get the room and the inputs to get a board feed.

Just know this about board feeds - 99% you're getting the house mix, meaning that things are mixed for the room not the recording. As a result, if you don't have any bass in the PA, none will be on the recording. Vocals tend to be overly loud on the recording as they usually have to be pushed louder than everything else in the room.

Don't let this stop you from getting a board feed - just know that it may not sound the way you expect.
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Although you can't fix your bass not being in the feed, it's fairly easy to adjust the high vocal problem in the mix with any daw or garage band program. Also some boards have a record out that you can have the board guy give you a flat mix if he's willing...
 
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Tdub77 said:
Although you can't fix your bass not being in the feed, it's fairly easy to adjust the high vocal problem in the mix with any daw or garage band program. Also some boards have a record out that you can have the board guy give you a flat mix if he's willing...
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And if its got a way to hook it right into a laptop and open up your daw you can just make your own mix record all the channels and have the best of both worlds. Just depends on what gear you have, what the board guy has, and what he allows you to do...
 
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All of these are great options - and believe me, my post was not meant to dissuade you from getting a board mix. Just to make you aware.

With my H4n, I'll mix the room mics and board feed together (if they come out good) to get the best of both and it works just fine. Of course if you can actually mix it yourself or have the sound guy provide a full mix, then you're gold.
 
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Daveypoo said:
All of these are great options - and believe me, my post was not meant to dissuade you from getting a board mix. Just to make you aware.

With my H4n, I'll mix the room mics and board feed together (if they come out good) to get the best of both and it works just fine. Of course if you can actually mix it yourself or have the sound guy provide a full mix, then you're gold.
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Yeah for sure - I really appreciate having some options, either way. It may be a bit of trial and error to get it working in a predictable manner, but sounds good to me.
 
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Wow - if you're in the market for either of those you're already doing well

Frankly, I feel like if you're looking at vintage basses, then that's what you should get. You can wait it out for the right one - they come up for sale often enough. On the other hand, if you're just looking for a really good P, then you've got a ton more options. I'd go with a new one if I wanted just a great all around bass. I'd go with the vintage one if you specifically desire a vintage bass.

Either way, I'm super jealous because they're both VERY pretty. ;)
 
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Daveypoo said:
Wow - if you're in the market for either of those you're already doing well

Frankly, I feel like if you're looking at vintage basses, then that's what you should get. You can wait it out for the right one - they come up for sale often enough. On the other hand, if you're just looking for a really good P, then you've got a ton more options. I'd go with a new one if I wanted just a great all around bass. I'd go with the vintage one if you specifically desire a vintage bass.

Either way, I'm super jealous because they're both VERY pretty. ;)
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Yeah the 62 is all original except the finish and case, I really like it...need to talk him down to like $3700 or so though
 
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Tdub77 said:
Yeah the 62 is all original except the finish and case, I really like it...need to talk him down to like $3700 or so though
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Personally, I would go for the new one, but that's just me. Never really been super into vintage cars, either. My next two bass purchases are almost certainly going to be the Dingwall Combustion NG-2 I just plunked down a deposit on, and after that probably a MusicMan Caprice. Damn, those things are sexy.
 
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I brought the middle weight rig for a quick outdoor hit playing Americana stuff. I was planning to use my Grace Felix equipped pedal board into the MG800, but my old age/crankiness/lazyness had me plug straight into the MG.

Sounded damn good!

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lomo said:
Something old, something new...............a 10-2 array on a "legacy " (LOL) NX2-112. Sweet.
I went to the 10-2 from a Barefaced one10 'cause I wanted more high end clarity with my ABG-it delivers in spades, with good low end and only weighs 5 lbs more.

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I have a 10-2 and had a One10. I'm not going back. No way. No how.
 
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DirtPoorRobins said:
I've got my Frankenstein rig showing up on Friday. I'm running a Magellan 112t and array 112-3 together with the Magellan 800. I NEVER mix cabs, so this was a departure, but of all the demos i did between all the combos, this was the best for my tone goals. I'll post some demos and comparisons between both cabs back to back when I get them.
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Can you say what you're getting from the mixed cabs that you didn't get from two BA 12-3's or two 112t's?
 
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So lately I'm hearing a hi-mid harshness that I don't like from my old Shuttle 3.0 stack. Can't quite EQ it away. I loved my tone at practice last night (IEM) but at home I always think I need a ne bass. Maybe I'm in need of a new amp that's closer to my IEM/FOH sound for practice my outdoor jazz gigs...

From my reading I'm thinking the line array design might get me there. I've tried using a powered PA/Monitor cab kind of thing (Mackie or whatever) but that doesn't quite do it.

Thoughts one more time? Are these lone array bass cabs gonna give me a similar (nothing will be exactly I know) sound to my IEM/FOH sound I'm used to?
 
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Djadja said:
Can you say what you're getting from the mixed cabs that you didn't get from two BA 12-3's or two 112t's?
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Take my opinion with a grain of salt because it was only a store demo i did, we all know gig situations truly reveal the gears true nature. I didn't get to try two of both cabs, but I did try the 112t, 212t, 12-3, and 210-3. The 212t had too much low mids/hi bass right around that 200hz area I think. The 12-3 was nice and even and extended down low, and the mids seemed to jump out of the cab and I could really hear the lows separate from the mids/highs, really cool.

The 112t had more punch (low mids) and the highs were a little more extended. I then tried both the 112t and 112-3 and found out they worked together beautifully. I'm looking for gear that is even from the bottom to the top with no notes that jump out or are boomy. These cabs together were the most even in my opinion. I'm probably getting another 112-3 so ill be able to compare the 112-3 stack to the mixed one, who knows I may like that better, but I REALLY love the tweeter in the 112t, probably the most smooth and beautiful sounding tweeter I've heard. (Coming from bergantino neos this tweeter is smoother and less aggressive which is what i was looking for)
 
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DirtPoorRobins said:
Take my opinion with a grain of salt because it was only a store demo i did, we all know gig situations truly reveal the gears true nature. I didn't get to try two of both cabs, but I did try the 112t, 212t, 12-3, and 210-3. The 212t had too much low mids/hi bass right around that 200hz area I think. The 12-3 was nice and even and extended down low, and the mids seemed to jump out of the cab and I could really hear the lows separate from the mids/highs, really cool.

The 112t had more punch (low mids) and the highs were a little more extended. I then tried both the 112t and 112-3 and found out they worked together beautifully. I'm looking for gear that is even from the bottom to the top with no notes that jump out or are boomy. These cabs together were the most even in my opinion. I'm probably getting another 112-3 so ill be able to compare the 112-3 stack to the mixed one, who knows I may like that better, but I REALLY love the tweeter in the 112t, probably the most smooth and beautiful sounding tweeter I've heard. (Coming from bergantino neos this tweeter is smoother and less aggressive which is what i was looking for)
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Did you get a chance to try 2 of the 210-3 arrays together? Out of everything Genzler makes I like that combination even better than my 3 112-3 stack. I feel like 1 or 2 of them covers anything I could ever want.
 

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