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#16,821
I've been wondering for a while how the Bass Array 112-3 sounds compared to the 115-3 and 210-3 that I currently own. Well, I found a somewhat dog-eared used BA-112-3 at Guitar Center for a good price and decided to give it a try.

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The 210/115 combo sounds really great, but I'm finding it to be like bringing a Howitzer to a fist fight most of the time. I play bars, pubs, and the occasional outdoor gig, but we use IEM's and almost always have a PA. So I've bringing either just the 115 or just the 210 to my gigs, and wanted to see how the 112 sounded, since it's even smaller and lighter than the other two.

It just came in today, but I have to say I really like it so far! I spent some time comparing them in my practice room.
  • The 112 sounds warmer and punchier than the other two individually.
  • The 210, to my surprise, has the fattest low end of the three (with flat EQ out of my Magellan 800). And probably the flattest frequency response throughout the range. Not as punchy as the 112, though.
  • The 210+115 combo also sounds very even, and benefits from the lower frequency extension of the 115. I think the combo sounds better than the 112 solo. Wonder how it compares to 2x112?
  • Compared to the other two, I don't like the 115 as much as a stand-alone cabinet. I suppose that if I only use a single cab from my original setup, I'd probably be happier with the 210 than the 115.
Now, I cannot justify having 3 cabinets for my cover band gigs and noodling at home, so one or two of these will have to go. I suppose it will come down to whether I like the 210 or the 112 better. If the 210, then I'll keep the 115 as well, since they sound so good together, and leave the 115 at home when I don't need the volume. If the 112, then maybe I sell the other two, and pick up a second 112 if I ever need more power.

Have any of you made the switch from 210 or 115 to a 112? Or vice-versa? I'd love to hear about your experience.
 
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EricOnTheBass said:
I've been wondering for a while how the Bass Array 112-3 sounds compared to the 115-3 and 210-3 that I currently own. Well, I found a somewhat dog-eared used BA-112-3 at Guitar Center for a good price and decided to give it a try.

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The 210/115 combo sounds really great, but I'm finding it to be like bringing a Howitzer to a fist fight most of the time. I play bars, pubs, and the occasional outdoor gig, but we use IEM's and almost always have a PA. So I've bringing either just the 115 or just the 210 to my gigs, and wanted to see how the 112 sounded, since it's even smaller and lighter than the other two.

It just came in today, but I have to say I really like it so far! I spent some time comparing them in my practice room.
  • The 112 sounds warmer and punchier than the other two individually.
  • The 210, to my surprise, has the fattest low end of the three (with flat EQ out of my Magellan 800). And probably the flattest frequency response throughout the range. Not as punchy as the 112, though.
  • The 210+115 combo also sounds very even, and benefits from the lower frequency extension of the 115. I think the combo sounds better than the 112 solo. Wonder how it compares to 2x112?
  • Compared to the other two, I don't like the 115 as much as a stand-alone cabinet. I suppose that if I only use a single cab from my original setup, I'd probably be happier with the 210 than the 115.
Now, I cannot justify having 3 cabinets for my cover band gigs and noodling at home, so one or two of these will have to go. I suppose it will come down to whether I like the 210 or the 112 better. If the 210, then I'll keep the 115 as well, since they sound so good together, and leave the 115 at home when I don't need the volume. If the 112, then maybe I sell the other two, and pick up a second 112 if I ever need more power.

Have any of you made the switch from 210 or 115 to a 112? Or vice-versa? I'd love to hear about your experience.
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I would recommend that you try the 112 combined with the 115 and also the 112 combined with the 210.

You never know.
 
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I had a 115-3 and 12-3 and played them together as well as separately depending on the gig. I liked the 15 for the P-bass country stuff I was doing. either solo or with the 12-3 for outdoor shows. a single 12-3 is my "do-all" cab that I use for low volume indoor gigs and for doubling with my upright.

once I got my 410-3 for my Led Zeppelin band, I sold the 115-3, and just use the 2 cabs now, either separately or together.
I'm solidly in the camp that 2 cabs will pretty much always sound better than one.
YMMV as always. If it's got a Genzler badge on it...use it...it will sound good.




poscript: I may have played my last Zeppelin gig. Lots of competition in So Cal. Even when we're not really trying to be and A or B band. No gigs on the calendar for this summer, and that's our usual gig season. Band leader is too busy with other projects. I hope not, it's just a blast to play that music.
 
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EricOnTheBass said:
I've been wondering for a while how the Bass Array 112-3 sounds compared to the 115-3 and 210-3 that I currently own. Well, I found a somewhat dog-eared used BA-112-3 at Guitar Center for a good price and decided to give it a try.

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The 210/115 combo sounds really great, but I'm finding it to be like bringing a Howitzer to a fist fight most of the time. I play bars, pubs, and the occasional outdoor gig, but we use IEM's and almost always have a PA. So I've bringing either just the 115 or just the 210 to my gigs, and wanted to see how the 112 sounded, since it's even smaller and lighter than the other two.

It just came in today, but I have to say I really like it so far! I spent some time comparing them in my practice room.
  • The 112 sounds warmer and punchier than the other two individually.
  • The 210, to my surprise, has the fattest low end of the three (with flat EQ out of my Magellan 800). And probably the flattest frequency response throughout the range. Not as punchy as the 112, though.
  • The 210+115 combo also sounds very even, and benefits from the lower frequency extension of the 115. I think the combo sounds better than the 112 solo. Wonder how it compares to 2x112?
  • Compared to the other two, I don't like the 115 as much as a stand-alone cabinet. I suppose that if I only use a single cab from my original setup, I'd probably be happier with the 210 than the 115.
Now, I cannot justify having 3 cabinets for my cover band gigs and noodling at home, so one or two of these will have to go. I suppose it will come down to whether I like the 210 or the 112 better. If the 210, then I'll keep the 115 as well, since they sound so good together, and leave the 115 at home when I don't need the volume. If the 112, then maybe I sell the other two, and pick up a second 112 if I ever need more power.

Have any of you made the switch from 210 or 115 to a 112? Or vice-versa? I'd love to hear about your experience.
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Interesting observations...
I have a first gen 112 and 110 and a second gen 110. I often use all three together. A few weeks ago Cazman posted that he is interested in swapping a 112 for a 110 and we've been discussing that.
I've been playing in a dance band that does some 70's, 80's 90's dance stuff that requires me to emulate synth bass and I've been worried that all of that low end material might be hard on the 110s. So I've been listening to each of the cabs separately and together and yesterday had the opportunity to listen to my full rig being played by an excellent gospel player at an outdoor gig that dance band did for an early Juneteenth celebration. The Genzler rig was carrying the full load with just vocals, keys, and a kick in the PA. All together... boy did that rig sound great!!! It sounded killer in every register, kicked like a mule when needed and smooth as butter when that was what he played. They really do play well together. I was surprised at how far the bass carried vs. the PA. Up close the balance was good but I would have liked to hear a bit more bass. The further I got from the stage, the more forward the bass became. One block away and the PA was clearly falling away while the bass was still strong. When we did our set, the rig felt fine even with the synth stuff. Here's the nastiest patch which I used

Listening to the individual cabs at home, there was less difference than I expected between the two generations of 110 given that all of the drivers are different. I couldn't decide which one I preferred. Both are punchier than the 112. Even though they move less air than the 112, they seem as loud or louder to me given that punch. The 112 is much smoother with more low end. Alone, I definitely prefer it over either 110 although I almost never use it alone. Paired with one or both of the 110's, it is a wonderful sounding rig. Church gigs and quiet gigs get the 110 gen 2 because it is the easiest schlep and sounds/works great for those settings. I've never used the two 110's without the 112. So now, assuming Cazman is still interested, I have to decide whether I want two 112's or two 110's...
 
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Djadja said:
Interesting observations...
I have a first gen 112 and 110 and a second gen 110. I often use all three together. A few weeks ago Cazman posted that he is interested in swapping a 112 for a 110 and we've been discussing that.
I've been playing in a dance band that does some 70's, 80's 90's dance stuff that requires me to emulate synth bass and I've been worried that all of that low end material might be hard on the 110s. So I've been listening to each of the cabs separately and together and yesterday had the opportunity to listen to my full rig being played by an excellent gospel player at an outdoor gig that dance band did for an early Juneteenth celebration. The Genzler rig was carrying the full load with just vocals, keys, and a kick in the PA. All together... boy did that rig sound great!!! It sounded killer in every register, kicked like a mule when needed and smooth as butter when that was what he played. They really do play well together. I was surprised at how far the bass carried vs. the PA. Up close the balance was good but I would have liked to hear a bit more bass. The further I got from the stage, the more forward the bass became. One block away and the PA was clearly falling away while the bass was still strong. When we did our set, the rig felt fine even with the synth stuff. Here's the nastiest patch which I used
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Djadja said:
Listening to the individual cabs at home, there was less difference than I expected between the two generations of 110 given that all of the drivers are different. I couldn't decide which one I preferred. Both are punchier than the 112. Even though they move less air than the 112, they seem as loud or louder to me given that punch. The 112 is much smoother with more low end. Alone, I definitely prefer it over either 110 although I almost never use it alone. Paired with one or both of the 110's, it is a wonderful sounding rig. Church gigs and quiet gigs get the 110 gen 2 because it is the easiest schlep and sounds/works great for those settings. I've never used the two 110's without the 112. So now, assuming Cazman is still interested, I have to decide whether I want two 112's or two 110's...
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oops... that is obviously not the patch. Here it is. I didn't notice that I had copied the wrong URL until too late to edit.

 
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#16,827
EricOnTheBass said:
I've been wondering for a while how the Bass Array 112-3 sounds compared to the 115-3 and 210-3 that I currently own. Well, I found a somewhat dog-eared used BA-112-3 at Guitar Center for a good price and decided to give it a try.

View attachment 7250061

The 210/115 combo sounds really great, but I'm finding it to be like bringing a Howitzer to a fist fight most of the time. I play bars, pubs, and the occasional outdoor gig, but we use IEM's and almost always have a PA. So I've bringing either just the 115 or just the 210 to my gigs, and wanted to see how the 112 sounded, since it's even smaller and lighter than the other two.

It just came in today, but I have to say I really like it so far! I spent some time comparing them in my practice room.
  • The 112 sounds warmer and punchier than the other two individually.
  • The 210, to my surprise, has the fattest low end of the three (with flat EQ out of my Magellan 800). And probably the flattest frequency response throughout the range. Not as punchy as the 112, though.
  • The 210+115 combo also sounds very even, and benefits from the lower frequency extension of the 115. I think the combo sounds better than the 112 solo. Wonder how it compares to 2x112?
  • Compared to the other two, I don't like the 115 as much as a stand-alone cabinet. I suppose that if I only use a single cab from my original setup, I'd probably be happier with the 210 than the 115.
Now, I cannot justify having 3 cabinets for my cover band gigs and noodling at home, so one or two of these will have to go. I suppose it will come down to whether I like the 210 or the 112 better. If the 210, then I'll keep the 115 as well, since they sound so good together, and leave the 115 at home when I don't need the volume. If the 112, then maybe I sell the other two, and pick up a second 112 if I ever need more power.

Have any of you made the switch from 210 or 115 to a 112? Or vice-versa? I'd love to hear about your experience.
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I really liked the 12 with the 15. I agree the 12 is more punchy, but I do think it had a boxy character to it. The smoothness and the low-end extension of the 15 really say well with the 12 on top. I didn't need that much firepower, and sold the 12, but they really sounded great together.
 
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In my 3 or so years of being a Genzler guy I've had my fair share of inquiries about my BA 410....I've had a couple of guys ask (and I think I've even talked about it here in the thread) about the 'slap and pop' sound considering the cab has no horn etc. I thought I'd post a little clip from Saturday night of the new side project band I got in. My slap skills aren't the best but the other guys in the band like/encourage that style so I've got my work cut out for me. This sound is from the iphone and as you can see it's off axis from the cab...but I guess that highlights the design. As far as EQ I gave the treble a boost and cut some mids and let it rip... :smug:. There is a little PA leakage but most of what you are hearing should be the cab. For years I've used a tweeter loaded cab so I had to think about EQ a little different with the Genzler rig. Once I figured that all out it was easy peasey....you can definitely get some killer tones out of these cabs! Make sure you use headphones for the best listening.....

 
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jjk2007 said:
In my 3 or so years of being a Genzler guy I've had my fair share of inquiries about my BA 410....I've had a couple of guys ask (and I think I've even talked about it here in the thread) about the 'slap and pop' sound considering the cab has no horn etc. I thought I'd post a little clip from Saturday night of the new side project band I got in. My slap skills aren't the best but the other guys in the band like/encourage that style so I've got my work cut out for me. This sound is from the iphone and as you can see it's off axis from the cab...but I guess that highlights the design. As far as EQ I gave the treble a boost and cut some mids and let it rip... :smug:. There is a little PA leakage but most of what you are hearing should be the cab. For years I've used a tweeter loaded cab so I had to think about EQ a little different with the Genzler rig. Once I figured that all out it was easy peasey....you can definitely get some killer tones out of these cabs! Make sure you use headphones for the best listening.....

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Great vid jjk! Pay attention kids. Recorded from side stage and even on my crappy iPhone, I can hear that bass front and center.
 
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just letting the group know, I've listed my venerable Magellan 800 head. The head is well used, but still in good shape as far as nicks and such. I was an early adopter, S/N #58. As my playing out days continue to dwindle down, I don't really need 2 amp heads any more and I'm likely keeping the Kinetix for the occasional Zeppelin gig that I play (those are dwindling down too). Will come with the original Genzler bag, which has also seen its share of use.
here's the listing:
Genzler Magellan 800 amp head with bag

For sale Genzler Magellan 800 amp head with bag

Excellent light and loud amp head. Goes to 11
$650.00
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convo me with any interest.

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