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Genzler Magellan Pre... looks tasty

#81
Yes, your understanding of set the input gain is correct. Generally I would keep the input Level slightly lower than the output level and adjust your overall level that way. If you do have a very hot instrument then using a power supply of 12V and above would be a consideration as well.
 
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agedhorse said:
Let me help Jeff out here and answer some of the more technical and signal routing questions...

odarellmc said: ↑
@Jeff Genzler any reason why input is far left? I know in/ out is usually right left...not I huge issue but big enough to ask . Great product and I'm going to get one regardless ☺️

Good question, since Jeff Scott and I are "old" and come from the pro audio world (Jeff's first company Genz Benz started out as a bass and pro audio company, (we had a line of powered mixers, biamp and triamp flyable cabinets, subs, etc.), our go to signal flow is the classic traditional "American" left to right looking from the front of the "box" (amp, preamp, mixer, or whatever), putting the input jack close to the input gain control for lowest noise and cross-talk. This is true of the Magellan amps,.....
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Just checked my 4OTF - here the order of the jacks is the opposite.
Seen from the front, input on the right, output on the left.
 
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OldogNewTrick said:
Just checked my 4OTF - here the order of the jacks is the opposite.
Seen from the front, input on the right, output on the left.
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Yes, on the simpler pedals there's just an in and out jack so the multiple signal routing paths are not there and we were able to reverse them.

On the Pre-DI, there's MUCH more going on internally so the left to right signal flow matching the feature architecture makes much more sense. This applies to both the jacks and the controls working together with the signal path rather than against it. As the gain increases, and the number of amplification stages increases, the opportunities for noise and cross talk multiply exponentially. This is why ALL consoles and channel strips follow this format... for performance. This is a very quiet pedal compared with the average pedal.

Since these are top mount jacks, it doesn't really matter from a wiring perspective as it does with side mount jacks (which I do not care for, especially when there are more than 2 jacks).
 
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This pedal seems really nice. Not many samples available yet, but that video demo shows many of the sounds I'm looking for (to use with a Two Notes Cab M). Had been looking for a tube preamp, but am absolutely not finding anything 100% convincing. Also, the price point on this seems completely fair. I'll wait for Thomann EU to have them. Generally speaking, would a passive Jazz bass (with Lollars) benefit from using the pedal at 18V?
 
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Mojo34 said:
This pedal seems really nice. Not many samples available yet, but that video demo shows many of the sounds I'm looking for (to use with a Two Notes Cab M). Had been looking for a tube preamp, but am absolutely not finding anything 100% convincing. Also, the price point on this seems completely fair. I'll wait for Thomann EU to have them. Generally speaking, would a passive Jazz bass (with Lollars) benefit from using the pedal at 18V?
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Maybe if you play aggressively or have it set up hot. Try it first, it’s likely not necessary.
 
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@Jeff Genzler or @agedhorse -
Any thoughts on how this would work with double bass, electric cello, and acoustic guitar? I've been using a Fishman Platinum Pro for the last few years, and it's been fine (but noisy on the DI). The switchable contours look like a quick and convenient way to revoice the preamp for a different instrument.
 
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agedhorse said:
Yes, on the simpler pedals there's just an in and out jack so the multiple signal routing paths are not there and we were able to reverse them.

On the Pre-DI, there's MUCH more going on internally so the left to right signal flow matching the feature architecture makes much more sense. This applies to both the jacks and the controls working together with the signal path rather than against it. As the gain increases, and the number of amplification stages increases, the opportunities for noise and cross talk multiply exponentially. This is why ALL consoles and channel strips follow this format... for performance. This is a very quiet pedal compared with the average pedal.

Since these are top mount jacks, it doesn't really matter from a wiring perspective as it does with side mount jacks (which I do not care for, especially when there are more than 2 jacks).
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I guess that depends on how you run your pedals. I do run everything right to left. In using this pre amp you'll have a longer cable run underneath the pedal to reach "in" on the left. It's a PITA when trying to design a pedal board. However I'm still going to get it
 
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Wild Rice Chris said:
@Jeff Genzler or @agedhorse -
Any thoughts on how this would work with double bass, electric cello, and acoustic guitar? I've been using a Fishman Platinum Pro for the last few years, and it's been fine (but noisy on the DI). The switchable contours look like a quick and convenient way to revoice the preamp for a different instrument.
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I think it's a viable option. Try it out and report back!
 
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Wild Rice Chris said:
@Jeff Genzler or @agedhorse -
Any thoughts on how this would work with double bass, electric cello, and acoustic guitar? I've been using a Fishman Platinum Pro for the last few years, and it's been fine (but noisy on the DI). The switchable contours look like a quick and convenient way to revoice the preamp for a different instrument.
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@Wild Rice Chris, just to follow up on a few points, I do think the MG-PRE-PEDAL would work very well as an option for your other acoustic instruments, including acoustic guitar. This design is also very similar to the preamp amp of our AA-PRO acoustic combo, and that is an excellent choice for many acoustic players, and of course our little MG350-BA10-COMBO-S2 is used quite alot with upright players, and the MG-350 preamp is identical to the MG-PRE-PEDAL --- except for the additional controls and foot switching on the pedal.

We'll look forward to learning how it works for your needs.
 
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Mojo34 said:
It's not here in Europe yet (as far as I can tell), so let us know if you can make it sound like Nate Navarro!!
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I believe that Bassbuddah in Denmark has some available or will have any day now. You could also check with Thomann as well to see if they are expecting them in soon.
Our distributor in Denmark does have these in stock.
 
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USPS just stopped by. Look at that.
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I got mine in the mail yesterday. Spent some time with it this morning on some headphones. I love the 2 different contour controls and the HPF control.
I will take it Sunday morning to replace my aging Zoom B3 (which still works mostly fine, except the 1/4" out randomly makes a horrendous noise, but I never use that out but the XLR out). I have been using it for preamp, comp & tuner mostly. I have a Markbass Compressore collecting dust and a tuner pedal. Now I guess I have my first-ever pedalboard (minus the "board"). I've always just used a multi-effects w/DI at the church gig.
I've been using my Magellan 800 for years now (since it came out) causing all other amps getting sold, so I've been waiting for this preamp/DI since then. My single 12T-V has relegated my 2 Baer ML112v2 cabs to backup status (for outdoor shows), but thinking of selling those and getting another 12T-V and a 4OTF.
All in on Genzler. Spectacular gear.
 
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