Gibson has never focused on bass. I doubt they ever will. It's an afterthought for them, if even that. Their money is in Les Paul's and the Custom Shop.
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I don't think there was a difference in nomenclature – just a difference in aesthetic taste.Okay, I'm guessing that maybe I got the nomenclature wrong.
Whatever it's called, I love this bass right here, image below.
LOVE it.
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And this one below here I find exceedingly ugly.
Whatever you call it, it's wonky looking.
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I don't think there was a difference in nomenclature – just a difference in aesthetic taste.
I like both a lot in terms of looks, but prefer the '66 – '69 style (unofficially called "non-reverse" at the time). That's the one you think is ugly.
Well yah.., but industrial design whether it be cars or toasters feels the need to continually change their product to attract new consumers. No different with guitars. Until Epiphone more recently produced the closest thing to a RI of the '63-'65 T-bird IV (already mentioned) - most people were ok with whatever new version Gibson decided to produce. It was only those (of us) who really like T-birds and its history becoming big enough as a group (the T-bird thread on TB being part of that) finally got through to the producers (at Epiphone) that yah.., it would be nice to have a nearly RI of the groundbreaking Gibson bass. Fender since the '80s has never been shy of RI's of their basses (P & J, '51 P/Tele, Mustang) and there's been countless revisitations over decades of those iconic basses. A defining difference between Gibson/(Epi) and Fender to this day.I think Gibson should have made the Thunderbird look like a '64, with the chrome pickups
I think Gibson should have made the Thunderbird look like a '64, with the chrome pickups
But it didn't attract new customers and most people were not okay with whatever version they threw at us. Because it's now discontinued.Well yah.., but industrial design whether it be cars or toasters feels the need to continually change their product to attract new consumers. No different with guitars. Until Epiphone more recently produced the closest thing to a RI of the '63-'65 T-bird IV (already mentioned) - most people were ok with whatever new version Gibson decided to produce. It was only those (of us) who really like T-birds and its history becoming big enough as a group (the T-bird thread on TB being part of that) finally got through to the producers (at Epiphone) that yah.., it would be nice to have a nearly RI of the groundbreaking Gibson bass. Fender since the '80s has never been shy of RI's of their basses (P & J, '51 P/Tele, Mustang) and there's been countless revisitations over decades of those iconic basses. A defining difference between Gibson/(Epi) and Fender to this day.
I love the Tbird reverse.Just the opposite here, personally I find the non-reverse to be ugly/odd looking while I think the reverse brings a cool vibe you just don't get with many other body styles. You wanna stand out on stage, both looks wise and sonically, get a (reverse) T-Bird. Different strokes.
There are members in the Thunderbird Club who would be very happy to unburden you of that Thunderbird. Just saying…Maybe I can get a few dollars more for my '91 now. I don't play it much and when I do, I remember why I don't. It was an impulse trade about 20 years ago and I just haven't found a way to get much out of it, selling, trading, or playing. I like the sound of the bass, but the ergonomics & weight are well-known….
I have 14 Thunderbirds. Gibsons, Epiphones, and BaCHs. They do not neck dive with a proper strap. I will admit that a couple have relocated neck pins. I'm a player with an average build (5'8" 160) and I find them, reverses and non-reverses, to be perfectly comfortable players. And the tone from them is awesome.After reading all of your posts, I believe that there's a good chance Gibson will stick to the Epiphone Thunderbirds for the time being.
They're well made (or so I've heard), they're in the $800 to $1200 range and even have some signature models in there.
Gibson is not a bass company anyways and probably they do good enough selling guitars.
What I'd do, is release a new Thunderbird with a smaller and redesigned headstock, something like the Spector model that resembles a Tbird, to see if they can reduce the neck dive, and try to aim at the $1400-$1800 range to see if they sell better.
Or, just stick to the Epiphones.
I like my bars of soap.I love the Tbird reverse.
The non reverse looks like it's carved out of a bar of soap by some pre school kid.
But it's funky, it's odd looking and I can fully understand why some people like it.
Just like I can understand why people dislike the reverse style Tbird even though I myself love it.
I was like you until I got a non-reverse. Now I have four of them. While I prefer the looks of the Reverse, and have several, I love my NR's.Okay, I'm guessing that maybe I got the nomenclature wrong.
Whatever it's called, I love this bass right here, image below.
LOVE it.
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And this one below here I find exceedingly ugly.
Whatever you call it, it's wonky looking.
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I do not agree. Spend some time with Jim DeCola. He believes that basses are an important part of their business. Gibson has, and will continue to produce amazing basses.Gibson has never focused on bass. I doubt they ever will. It's an afterthought for them, if even that. Their money is in Les Paul's and the Custom Shop.
I think that (much like electric guitars) the overall high quality of the Epiphone line probably cuts into what Gibson USA could do with basses. The two have the opposite reputation, Epiphone for being high quality and great value at the price, Gibson for quality control issues and being overpriced.
You can find an Epiphone Thunderbird and get the fix or try out the platform for much less investment. If you don't like it you're not so badly off, and if you do like it you might just keep it and not see the need to hunt down a Gibson.
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I have six Gibson Thunderbirds. And eight Epiphones. I'm an Epi fanboy. All are great. My Gibsons are all first rate and are the ones I reach for the most. I will never part with any of my Gibsons. The Epis, great as they are, are fungible.
And you have the right to do soI like my bars of soap.
I was like you until I got a non-reverse. Now I have four of them. While I prefer the looks of the Reverse, and have several, I love my NR's.