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Gigging with Tone at Zero - You?

How often do you gig with the tone at zero?

  • Never

    Votes: 336 58.9%
  • Some

    Votes: 123 21.6%
  • About half the time

    Votes: 13 2.3%
  • Often

    Votes: 40 7.0%
  • Always

    Votes: 17 3.0%
  • Carrots, because, well, orange.

    Votes: 41 7.2%

  • Total voters
    570
I've always been a 100% player. You know instrument volume and tone at 100%. But this weekend I broke my record. I actually played a song with just the neck pickup on my 4 string J bass and the tone control at zero.

From what I heard in my ears and on the livestream playback, the bass tone was more focused and more present. There was less frequency masking and competition with other instruments and voices in the mix. I think the only thing that would have been better is to play it with my P bass instead.

I'll be adding this method to my standard bag of tricks moving forward.
Six months ago or so I started experimenting with tone at 0. It's relevant to say I gig with a Fender PJ and a '68 Telecaster both with flats using lower-powered tube amps. I always push the amps to just shy of power tube breakup so I can easily move in and out of distortion by how hard I dig in. I was talking with a tb'er about the Aphex Aural Exciter and how it created top end by generating harmonics (harmonic distortion). It occurred to me, why not roll all the highs off the bass and then let the tube distortion add the highs as needed. I tried it next gig and it worked so well I stayed with it all night. On some songs it actually made the flats sound somewhat like rounds. After living with it for months now my tone stays on 0 for probably 40-50% of our songs, and rarely even approaches half-opened on the rest, mostly just creeping the tone up a notch from 0. When I switched to flats 12 years ago I immediately noticed how much more pronounced the bass was in ensemble, and I totally agree that at least on my rigs 0'ing the tone, or near, makes it even more pronounced.
I also discovered something very interesting. On both of my Fenders, there is a slight but noticeable bass bump when you hit 0 on the tone knob. It's more pronounced on my '68 Tele (single-coil all stock) but it's defintinitely there on the Parallel Universe PJ's neck pup as well which is a Custom Shop '63 P.
 
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My #1 is a passive bass with humbuckers with volume and tone for each pickup plus coil taps and a mystery phase switch and I like playing with those to vary the tone perhaps too much. Our sets vary over a broad range of tones from aggressive, funky and more traditional jazz, I try to have a tone that compliments each style. Rolling one or both tones down or off lets me cop a more acoustic vibe and anything between.

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4 Strings, 4 Coils, 4 knobs and 4 Switches ~ so many tones, oh my!
 
OP back with more thoughts - Years ago I hated flats. They sounded terrible. Then, against my better judgement I tried them during a gig and found that blah sound at home worked really well in a mix. Much better than I expected. I learned.

Recently I've decided to check my assumptions about the muddy tone from having the tone control rolled to its darkest setting. Solo at home, sounds terrible. But in the mix it works much better than I would have thought. Especially for those fills on the higher notes & strings. It is sort of like the sound of flats with the sustain or rounds.
 
My #1 is a passive bass with humbuckers with volume and tone for each pickup plus coil taps and a mystery phase switch and I like playing with those to vary the tone perhaps too much. Our sets vary over a broad range of tones from aggressive, funky and more traditional jazz, I try to have a tone that compliments each style. Rolling one or both tones down or off lets me cop a more acoustic vibe and anything between.

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4 Strings, 4 Coils, 4 knobs and 4 Switches ~ so many tones, oh my!
Lovely instrument.
 
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I quite often prefer the tone of my basses rolled all the way off. And all points in between. Tone & volume.

Most electric guitarists audition pickups with volume & tone full up. On my guitars I set my amp that way but rarely play the guitars full up after initial set up. Set my bass amps the same way.

When I first got my Les Paul Standard years ago I didn’t think I would be happy with the 498T/490R pickups. Roll that neck pickup back on tone & volume-sweet as any PAF. You just have to find it . Use your controls.
 
OP back with more thoughts - Years ago I hated flats. They sounded terrible. Then, against my better judgement I tried them during a gig and found that blah sound at home worked really well in a mix. Much better than I expected. I learned.

Recently I've decided to check my assumptions about the muddy tone from having the tone control rolled to its darkest setting. Solo at home, sounds terrible. But in the mix it works much better than I would have thought. Especially for those fills on the higher notes & strings. It is sort of like the sound of flats with the sustain or rounds.
And there you have it -- the needs of the gig vs the needs of the mix. I couldn't understand why anyone would want flats -- for decades. Then I got a Dean acoustic bass for home practice, and randomly decided to get flats for it. Wow - I liked it so much, I got flats for one of my electric guitars - which I didn't like so much ... but the acoustic bass really found its voice with flats. I subsequently bought more in both long and short scale, so I could have them on my fretless as well.

But, getting back to the tone knob: never. Partly because my influences include some rather trebly bassists, but also because ... well, let me illustrate: I recently provided bass for a guitarist friend who was auditioning drummers, but didn't yet have a bassist. I brought my Markbass 1x15 because I knew it would do the job in terms of volume. At one point I shifted up from low E to a higher E and ... it still sounded the same; there was no sense of lift, because all that low-throbbing 15" resonance obliterated the difference. And the thing is, the BL loved it -- they always do, because really all most guitarists want from bass is to fill out the sound between guitar and drums -- especially in a trio. Fill the room like sonic glue, everyone's happy. But if you're standing next to a pounding drummer, it's kinda hard to tell just what note is being played, unless it's vastly wrong -- and maybe not even then.

This isn't such a problem on a big outdoor stage -- then, there really is a need for the bass to be large. 2x15's, baby! But I rarely play such gigs, and I notice that recording is another matter entirely: a big boomy sound takes up too much space to use as default. I much prefer a tone that can actually be discerned intelligibly, and that carries into my live rig. So I prefer splitting the signal to a (solid-state) guitar amp which has the low turned down and the midrange up, which is effectively my monitor. I suppose the result is a scoop, since the MB carries the lows.

Now: I was suitably impressed when I read an article about the magic of zeroing out the tone for reggae bass, and I stand behind nobody in my admiration of Family Man's drive, tone, and witty minimalism. I could see trying that, if I had very new strings. Maybe my choice is just economic: I'm always playing older strings anyway, and maybe I just don't have any treble to lose ;)
 
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My #1 is a passive bass with humbuckers with volume and tone for each pickup plus coil taps and a mystery phase switch and I like playing with those to vary the tone perhaps too much. Our sets vary over a broad range of tones from aggressive, funky and more traditional jazz, I try to have a tone that compliments each style. Rolling one or both tones down or off lets me cop a more acoustic vibe and anything between.

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4 Strings, 4 Coils, 4 knobs and 4 Switches ~ so many tones, oh my!
I have an 82 Carvin, same controls as yours (except the out of phase switch; I had that on a Guild for every pu) and I'd use 2 sounds, either both pu double coil, always full tone (the bass was Dark toned mids savage highs and lows I judge every other bass against, you may understand) or neck pu single coil. Using the bridge pu single coil with or without others was too bright. Two single coils was simply quieter than both double and I needed volume more than brightness. That was my only bass for 20 years, now it's one of 13 and wears EB Cobalt Flats for fun (to tone down the high end and enhance the dark mids) as it's aged, it's gotten louder with more highs, still the same wide strap weight.

Most often to get a tone zero effect, I'm using a tunable filter with sensitivity low so the envelop only opens with max picking energy (or not at all). Comes from listening to Bill Lazwell. I just got a deviever Dark Boost. That's another way with it's own envelope shape.
 
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I clicked an unpopular choice, about half the time. While I occasionally get to play through a PA, most of the time, I'm using a 4x10 with sufficient wattage as my sound. As such, I spend some time essentially tuning to the room I'm in. Some spaces need more high-end to cut through. Some need more mids. Many spaces just seem to absorb all of the low-end. This is about half the time. In these cases, I cut the tone to zero, choose a preamp setting that is close to an SVT and use my amp's post-preamp graphic EQ (another preset) that emphasizes the low end. It's funny, but the guitarist that I typically play with is always amazed how quickly I can get to the right sound - it takes him a while - lots more moving parts. It also helps to have just one P pickup in these cases - you just get there faster.
 
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I play a Sadowsky MetroExpress bass most of the time - and it’s 2-band EQ sounds best with just a smidgen of bass (1 or 2) and no high EQ. The sound is clean solid lows, smooth mids and a condenser mic, hyped top end which sounds amazing.