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))))))))GK MB Fusion 800!!(((((((

#181
Chef said:
I disagree that it's a design flaw; I'd bet it's intentional.
And; not really a bad idea.
I just didn't know...
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I agree. Kind of makes sense to kind of 'go back to basic settings' at start up, although I guess I can see it as a positive and negative, depending on if some of those settings are 'basic settings' for a given individual.

For example, the TC RH450/750 'stays where you put it', even though it is a true 'digital preamp' with all knobs except the master being 'electronic'.

Sounds like a pure 'design choice' to me.
 
#182
KJung said:
I agree. Kind of makes sense to kind of 'go back to basic settings' at start up, although I guess I can see it as a positive and negative, depending on if some of those settings are 'basic settings' for a given individual.

For example, the TC RH450/750 'stays where you put it', even though it is a true 'digital preamp' with all knobs except the master being 'electronic'.

Sounds like a pure 'design choice' to me.
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+1
 
#185
That can be your preference, for sure.
And really, it's probably mine.

"Design Flaw" implies not well thought out, and/or unintentional; at least to me.
I think it's "just the design," and you can prefer it one way or the other.

ymmv.
 
#189
Very different.
I found the SL900 to have:
a ton of power.
hefty low end to the point of being too much for me
not enough mids to make my Sadowsky with SS strings sound like a Sadowksy with SS strings.
not enough highs to put crisp clean top end sheen on things.

The MBF500/800 are very opposite.
Crisp, clean, hifi (until you crank them way up), ton of mid presence without being overbearing, and nice low end heft that stays clear and not blubbery.
Either have a ton of power, with the 800 have more tonnage.

very different.

I suppose there are guys that would like both, but, not many.
 
#190
godblender said:
Anyone able to do a comparison between the Fusion MB 800 and the Genz Streamliner??

I have some idea of what differences there may be but if someone who has played/owns both could chime in...

Thanks,
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Assuming the F800 sounds similar to the F500 (which according to reviewers it does), those amp have virtually nothing in common. Streamliner: warm, fat, relaxed in the midrange, very 'apparent' tube preamp (lots of complexity to the tone, give to the feel), very sweet 'all tube circuit like' top end. F500: (and 800 again assuming pretty similar voicings) is bright, much more voiced to the upper mids, more 'traditional' brightness and treble response, much less 'tube apparent' (i.e., it is more of a 'tweak' on the solid state version of the MB, whereas the Streamliner and Shuttle have NOTHING in common at all).

EQ design on the MBFusions is modern (i.e., the relatively non interactive tone controls like Markbass and many other modern SS amps. The Streamliner is more similar to the kind of Bassman, Alembic F1, Hartke LH500 'classic/vintage' tone stack for better or worse.

The GK will hammer a bit harder per watt IME.

Both are great sounding, but totally, utterly different and would definitely appeal to different players IMO.
 
#191
Chef said:
Very different.
I found the SL900 to have:
a ton of power.
hefty low end to the point of being too much for me
not enough mids to make my Sadowsky with SS strings sound like a Sadowksy with SS strings.
not enough highs to put crisp clean top end sheen on things.

The MBF500/800 are very opposite.
Crisp, clean, hifi (until you crank them way up), ton of mid presence without being overbearing, and nice low end heft that stays clear and not blubbery.
Either have a ton of power, with the 800 have more tonnage.

very different.

I suppose there are guys that would like both, but, not many.
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:p We were typing virtually the same thing at the same time. I think that means we get to make a wish or something:D
 
#194
Chef said:
Very different.
I found the SL900 to have:
a ton of power.
hefty low end to the point of being too much for me
not enough mids to make my Sadowsky with SS strings sound like a Sadowksy with SS strings.
not enough highs to put crisp clean top end sheen on things.

The MBF500/800 are very opposite.
Crisp, clean, hifi (until you crank them way up), ton of mid presence without being overbearing, and nice low end heft that stays clear and not blubbery.
Either have a ton of power, with the 800 have more tonnage.

very different.

I suppose there are guys that would like both, but, not many.
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+1 to this, and to Ken's post. :cool:
 
#195
Munjibunga said:
Played mine at the gig tonight. I kept it pretty tame for the first set, but a number of folks in the crowd wanted more bottom, so I let 'em have it after that. I wasn't even at noon and noon and that thing was LOUD. No complaints from the band.
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Last night was a game changer for me. Finally was able to open this thing up with an active jazz V and the Berg CN212.

The discussion about boosting the low and high mids is spot on, I was able to achieve a very punchy tone with a minimum of knob tweaking and a maximum.

And, I met my objective of a high powered great sounding head that fit's in my gig bag. Win.
 
#196
Doug Parent said:
Last night was a game changer for me. Finally was able to open this thing up with an active jazz V and the Berg CN212.

The discussion about boosting the low and high mids is spot on, I was able to achieve a very punchy tone with a minimum of knob tweaking and a maximum.

And, I met my objective of a high powered great sounding head that fit's in my gig bag. Win.
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Woot! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :cool:
 
#197
Couple questions on this and the mb800.

Effects loop placement - is it before or after the gains, eq, master?

Anybody that has both mb800 and mbf800 I'm curious about tonal comparison and if the mb800 has the same loose knobs and quirky settings issues?
 

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