Global Warming - It's Our Fault

[BawanaRik]

I call BS, let's see your link for the 99%.

Mankind has a history of destroying what we did not create. How many species were hunted extinction? Have you ever broken something? Unless you make your own appliances, furniture, clothes, etc then you do destroy other things. That's not meant to be a flippant answer, just extrapolate your/my/our normal behavior out to billions.

Climategate has been investigated numerous times. While completely unethical and unforgivable for the few people involved, it's not some vast conspiracy, the only people who still believe that are simply uninformed.

The distrust of scientists and more so of critical thinking seems to be like a badge of honor among a very vocal conservative minority in the USA.

Species? Check up on Neanderthal man. Or perhaps the Bantu expansion. Or maybe the fate of what's left of groups a like the Aborigines or the Anui.

As far as science when's the last time people listened to science?

They once burned scientists at the stake. Among other punishments.

 

[DerHoggz]

Its my opinion that I fear a certain level of racism emanates from your post.

The fact is there is not need to buy from these nations if you don't want to.

My Bryston stereo gear proves the North Americans can still manufacture quality goods are a competitive price.

My American made Woolrich jacket likewise.

No racism, he talked about countries where pollution is rampant.

Thanks for the chance to clear that up.

 

[jmattbassplaya]

My view is this:

Real or not, we live on this planet and have a responsibility to not waste our planet's resources unwisely. If global warming is real then we better shape up and do what we can to minimize our negative impact on the planet. And if it isn't real then what's the harm with going green and living a cleaner, less wasteful life? There is literally not a single bad thing that can come from us doing our part in reducing waste, using cleaner technologies, and minimizing our usage of fossil fuels, so why not just do it?

 

[BawanaRik]

No racism, he talked about countries where pollution is rampant.

Thanks for the chance to clear that up.

You're welcome. I still find it odd that all the nations that were targeted were Asian.

Would you care to clear that up?

 

[BawanaRik]

My view is this:

Real or not, we live on this planet and have a responsibility to not waste our planet's resources unwisely. If global warming is real then we better shape up and do what we can to minimize our negative impact on the planet. And if it isn't real then what's the harm with going green and living a cleaner, less wasteful life? There is literally not a single bad thing that can come from us doing our part in reducing waste, using cleaner technologies, and minimizing our usage of fossil fuels, so why not just do it?

Because then all the people won't be able to able to have cell phones, big screen TVs, SUVs large dweelings and the ubiquitous automobila prevalent on North America and in general the materialistic life that many people feel is a right.

 

[two fingers]

I wonder if the people who have opinions about climate change also have opinions about gravity or electromagnetism.

Yep. But those things HAVE been proven..... over and over and over again...... without debate....... without scandal....... without cartoonist's web sites being the "foremost authority"...... and without politics involved.

 

[SolarMan]

Just wondering - if global cooling hits and starts to threaten human populations; are they going to tell everyone to fart more, drive more, and pollute more?

Just wondering.

 

[Thomas Kievit]

Global warming is something that ALWAYS happend ever since the planet Earth exists. We, however, increase the speed of the global warming due to all the CO2 gasses we pump in the air. The process of warming up and cooling down normally take a few thousand years. But at the same time, I have some doubts about the GB in general. I don't say it doesn't exist or people exaggerate, but with some stuff, one group of scientists says completely the contrary of another group of scientist.. Makes it hard to believe what is real or not..

 

[fhm555]

...but every time I hear about one of these studies someone comes out with another that counters it...

My first experience with science for sale to the highest bidder was the debate over banning inshore netting in Florida. Each side claimed they had scientific "proof" that netting, A. Didn't impact total adult fish population or B. was crippling adult fish populations.

In the end, inshore netting was banned and within a relatively short period adult fish populations increased in both overall numbers and size of individual fish.

As far as the current warming trend, there is no doubt it's happening. When I was a kid mimosa trees bloomed in early to mid april, now it mid to late july before they bloom. Winters around here have changed drastically. When I was a kid one of my chores was feeding the dogs. Their food was stored in the barn with the rest of the livestock chow so I had to go out there every morning to fill their bowls. I also insured their water bowls were topped off and during the winter it was almost routine to dump out a chunk of ice and refill the bowl. These days I can't recall the last time we had cold enough weather to freeze a bowl of water overnight. We get the occasional cold snap where it will drop below 32 a few hours before sunup, but going below freezing for any extended period of time is a rare exception, and has been for the last 10~15 years. Winter was also our traditional wet season, but these days we get a little all along but overall yearly totals are always lower than they were 20~30 years ago and winter is not much different than the other three seasons in terms of precip.

Thanks to science for sale to the highest bidder, nailing down a definitive cause is like trying to trap sunlight under a hat. We know it's happening but because of self interest on the part of so many, we are inundated with conflicting scientific "proof" as to why.

How does society prepare for an upcoming event if they are not simply willing to believe lies and half truths as to cause, but are eager to do so for nothing more than the sake of argument?

 

[96tbird]

Ain't my fault. I've stopped farting.

I haven't yet but am seriously considering it. Currently I am struggling with the dilemma if it's better to let them dissipate or strike a match. Anyone have any data if raw methane is more harmful than the products of it's combustion? Then there's the matter of the match exhaust to consider! Help.

Ok back to science. I dig how food and other good things can be naturally formed out of the toxic crap the earth is made out of. Just a big ball of toxic crud and life is abundant in it. Nifty.

 

[BawanaRik]

Yep. But those things HAVE been proven..... over and over and over again...... without debate....... without scandal....... without cartoonist's web sites being the "foremost authority"...... and without politics involved.

Actually historically I think you'll find that these concepts were questioned before being accepted by the general masses.

We just don't see that today since we don't see more than a week or so in the past.

If we did we would compare Global warming to the recently accepted phenomenon known as Global Chilling.

http://schriftman.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/why-was-newtons-gravity-not-immediately-accepted/

 

[Unrepresented]

No sir. It doesn't. I can prove most of what you listed myself with my limited scientific background. However, not only can I NOT prove global warming, but the most noted scientists of our generation can't either.

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There's the data. That looks fairly conclusive.

Let me break it down again........ slowly.

I am a fairly young guy (only 42). And in the span of MY LIFETIME we have gone through several notions on the subject.

Late 70s - Global Cooling - We were polluting the planet so badly that we were literally blocking out the sun with our smog.

90s (at least in the media... perhaps a bit earlier in the scientific community) Global Warming - We were polluting the planet so badly that we were trapping heat underneath the layer of crud we created in the sky (yes, way over simplified).

I should hope scientific understanding and technology has improved in the last forty years.

Few Years Ago - It was discovered through emails between college professors that much of the fright stirred up by the scientific community was simply MADE UP.

No, that's was the narrative that the skeptics tried to make. The actual investigation resulted in:

Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct. However, the reports called on the scientists to avoid any such allegations in the future by taking steps to regain public confidence in their work, for example by opening up access to their supporting data, processing methods and software, and by promptly honouring freedom of information requests. The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged throughout the investigations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

Just days ago - It was RELUCTANTLY released, and admitted to, that there hasn't been ANY global warming in over SEVENTEEN YEARS. (That is pretty much the entire span of the global warming scare.)

So, I'll put it back to you. Why are you so easily convinced that the "science" IS TRUE? WHY do you believe it? Are YOU a scientist?

So, to your point, I lump the belief that global warming is occurring at all, and that it is man made, right in with your list of scientific boogey men. You may as well be telling me that my TV actually has Dora the Explorer inside it and she is putting on a play for my kids.

I respect the overwhelming conclusion of scientists.

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[96tbird]

One thing about the fear mongering, if it is that, is that people are responding. I'm not sure if it's overstated or understated, I'm just glad for it because we must be stewards to our earth from here on out. We have been behaving like schwienhunds for too long with our resources.

Collectively, small changes make a big difference.

 

[paparoof]

I thought religious debates were not allowed on TB?

 

[Tony In Philly]

My view is this:

Real or not, we live on this planet and have a responsibility to not waste our planet's resources unwisely. If global warming is real then we better shape up and do what we can to minimize our negative impact on the planet. And if it isn't real then what's the harm with going green and living a cleaner, less wasteful life? There is literally not a single bad thing that can come from us doing our part in reducing waste, using cleaner technologies, and minimizing our usage of fossil fuels, so why not just do it?

The only problem with that way of thinking is that you'll have folks like Al Gore and Prince Charles prancing around the globe in private jets (they have paid for their indulgences through carbon credits) and lecturing to everybody else -- i.e. non-celebrities -- on how they should make do with their dark, cold houses every night. It has the potential to put people into a two-tiered class system with regard to energy usage.

 

[Unrepresented]

The only problem with that way of thinking is that you'll have folks like Al Gore and Prince Charles prancing around the globe in private jets (they have paid for their indulgences through carbon credits) and lecturing to everybody else -- i.e. non-celebrities -- on how they should make do with their dark, cold houses every night. It has the potential to put people into a two-tiered class system with regard to energy usage.

I don't get your logic of how creating a more stable global temperature will increase disparity of wealth. The inverse seems far, far more likely.

 

[jmattbassplaya]

The only problem with that way of thinking is that you'll have folks like Al Gore and Prince Charles prancing around the globe in private jets (they have paid for their indulgences through carbon credits) and lecturing to everybody else -- i.e. non-celebrities -- on how they should make do with their dark, cold houses every night. It has the potential to put people into a two-tiered class system with regard to energy usage.

I don't get your logic of how creating a more stable global temperature will increase disparity of wealth. The inverse seems far, far more likely.

Likewise, I'm not sure I understand that thought process so perhaps you could explain yourself more.

As for the elite lecturing the masses on how they should make do with their dark, cold houses every night --- I don't think that was their proposal in the slightest. Rather, I think their argument has been along the lines of cutting back our waste, being more thoughtful with our resource usage, and to slowly begin to utilize green technologies more while cutting back on our usage of fossil fuels. Obviously there is some irony if they deliver this message while flying on private jets, but I think that too makes a statement that we need to develop jets that don't rely so heavily on fossil fuels. The scope of this is much greater than who uses what right now and is more about what we all will be using decades from now.

 

[Tony In Philly]

I don't get your logic of how creating a more stable global temperature will increase disparity of wealth. The inverse seems far, far more likely.

With all due respect ,who said anything about "disparity of wealth"? I said it more in terms of an elite class that is entitled to use energy at their will as they would be considered anointed due to their enlightened message, whilst others could be subjected to either excessive taxation or social harassment for not cutting their usage back to what has been prescribed for them.

 

[Tony In Philly]

The scope of this is much greater than who uses what right now and is more about what we all will be using decades from now.

And that's exactly my point. We could end up having a future society where everyday people are told what they can and what they can't do individually with regard to energy usage. Meanwhile the elites would continue to do as they please.

 

[Tituscrow]

I thought religious debates were not allowed on TB?

They are. How is this religious?