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Global Warming - It's Our Fault

With all due respect ,who said anything about "disparity of wealth"? I said it more in terms of an elite class that is entitled to use energy at their will as they would be considered anointed due to their enlightened message, whilst others could be subjected to either excessive taxation or social harassment for not cutting their usage back to what has been prescribed for them.

And that's exactly my point. We could end up having a future society where everyday people are told what they can and what they can't do individually with regard to energy usage. Meanwhile the elites would continue to do as they please.
a) People already are subject to limitations for the common good in everything from vehicle laws to public intoxication. I don't see how making laws to ensure that all of us are able to continue having a consistent temperature is anything far beyond that.

b) Disparity of access to carbon footprint (which isn't far removed from disparity of wealth IMO) is something we should focus on as well. Cap and trade is a way of doing so. Let the ambassadors of green technology buy their carbon credits and pay for the common good.
 
Assuming the data to be correct and correctly interpreted, it's probably too late. Even so, with or without humans, climate change is inevitable. The earth doesn't care what its temperature is. It has gone through hundreds of changes in climate before humans even existed and will continue to do so. I think our time would be better spent figuring out how we're going to deal with it. Also, keep in mind that each and every one of us (meaning the entire population of the world) will be dead before conditions get unbearable. Think about it. The entire population of the world in 1890 has perished.
 
And that's exactly my point. We could end up having a future society where everyday people are told what they can and what they can't do individually with regard to energy usage. Meanwhile the elites would continue to do as they please.

If I may, I really don't think that is your point :p

When I say, "what technologies we all will be using" I'm also including the elites.
 
Assuming the data to be correct and correctly interpreted, it's probably too late. Even so, with or without humans, climate change is inevitable. The earth doesn't care what its temperature is. It has gone through hundreds of changes in climate before humans even existed and will continue to do so. I think our time would be better spent figuring out how we're going to deal with it. Also, keep in mind that each and every one of us (meaning the entire population of the world) will be dead before conditions get unbearable. Think about it. The entire population of the world in 1890 has perished.

Actually most scientists believe that life on earth will exist for another 1.75 billion years.

A crude link, but one found rather hastily:

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Assuming the data to be correct and correctly interpreted, it's probably too late. Even so, with or without humans, climate change is inevitable. The earth doesn't care what its temperature is. It has gone through hundreds of changes in climate before humans even existed and will continue to do so. I think our time would be better spent figuring out how we're going to deal with it. Also, keep in mind that each and every one of us (meaning the entire population of the world) will be dead before conditions get unbearable. Think about it. The entire population of the world in 1890 has perished.

That's part of the argument as to why we should work to lower our impact on the environment. We might not be here but our children will be.
 
Assuming the data to be correct and correctly interpreted, it's probably too late. Even so, with or without humans, climate change is inevitable. The earth doesn't care what its temperature is. It has gone through hundreds of changes in climate before humans even existed and will continue to do so. I think our time would be better spent figuring out how we're going to deal with it. Also, keep in mind that each and every one of us (meaning the entire population of the world) will be dead before conditions get unbearable. Think about it. The entire population of the world in 1890 has perished.

I'm going to redirect you to the Millennial thread where blame is currently bouncing back and forth between the younger generation for being too dependent and the older generation for having failed to adequately provide. This seems more in the spirit of that discussion.:p
 
As a parent of Millennial offspring I wish to thank all of you for ensuring that they will have a decent future ahead of them despite the heavy handed actions of self-absorbed boomers such as myself. :p

Also, the real irony of this thread is that practically everybody on it plays in a band that burns huge amounts of kilowatts guilt-free every weekend. Think about it.
 
As a parent of Millennial offspring I wish to thank all of you for ensuring that they will have a decent future ahead of them despite the heavy handed actions of self-absorbed boomers such as myself. :p

Also, the real irony of this thread is that practically everybody on it plays in a band that burns huge amounts of kilowatts guilt-free every weekend. Think about it.

My drummer burns hardly any kilowattage.:hmm:
 
Nice article. I can't comment from a professional standpoint. As a human being living on this planet I believe that if we don't change our ways the dire predictions will come about. I believe we are already seeing them and it will get worse.
I am lucky enough to live in an urban enviroment where I can ride my bike to work. I know not everyone can do that and not everyone can afford a hybrid or electric car. We can however try and use high mileage cars when we can and also share ride and take alternative transportation or walk when possible.
There are also a lot of small things that if we all did would make a difference. Like hanging our clothes out instead of putting them in the dryer, lowering our thermostats just a little bit in the winter. Etc, etc.
I do believe that big companies can also participate but that is not my call. I work for a pretty big company and I do small things here too. I print a lot of documents but I try and keep it to a minimum by only printing what is necessary. We are slowly converting to total electronic files but there is a lot of resistence from my co-workers. Some of them a lot younger than me and already set in their ways. They seem to think that dealing with PDF's is more difficult than working with a hard copy. :confused: I also turn off my computer every night.
I think if we all pause and look at how we live we can make a difference. Especially those of us in affluent countries.

Good points. The paperless thing was being talked about when I was a kid.

Go to Europe and try to get an extra napkin. Here people take a large handful and throw them away
 
Good points. The paperless thing was being talked about when I was a kid.

Go to Europe and try to get an extra napkin. Here people take a large handful and throw them away

Go to any of the restaurants near Telegraph in Berkeley and try and get ice in your water.

In my neighborhood, plastic bags for groceries are no longer permitted and they charge you for using one of their paper bags (no charge for bringing your own reusable bag, of course).
 
He plays in the dark? He walks to the gigs? His house lack utilities?

yeah, he's a drummer. What did I expect!
Above and beyond the average first world human, of couse. Actually, he probably expends less when drumming because of the opportunity cost of having to not use the television or computer that he'd otherwise be sucking juice off the grid with.