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Glock

Kind of interesting how some people talk about Glock's grip angle. If the grip is too large, that's one thing to complain about, but to complain about the angle of the grip is really based on muscle memory from shooting other pistols. Because as you hold various autos and revolvers, you are subconsciously adjusting your wrist so the sights align when you aim. If you start with a Glock, then it would feel natural and other pistols would have an odd grip angle.
If you are hitting the dirt, then you are really pulling the tip down while pulling the trigger, and that's really operator error. Not saying I'm the best shooter as I hit the dirt during shooting training at police academy.

I have problems with the angle of Glock's grips, but not too much to keep me from owning a pair of G27's. I'm not willing to dedicate too much time to "getting used to it" because I have far, FAR more non-Glock pistols than I do Glocks.
However, as you pointed out, most people that do have issue with the grip angle tend to naturally poing a Glock muzzle skyward. A (very) low shot is usually anticipated recoil and user induced.
 
I'm guessing when someone hits the dirt because of grip angle they're not aligning sights, but I could be wrong.
Well, there's two things. One is they are not aligning the sight picture properly. But it's three dots if you have trijicon dots or a square-shaped U and a dot so it's not that hard to figure out, unless you haven't been trained in pistol shooting. The other usual cause is not holding the pistol steady while pulling the trigger, as some people tilt the tip down in anticipation of the muzzle flip.
 
Glock is a smart choice for a lot of people. It's true that they are usually reliable, always easy to clean, and have tons of aftermarket stuff available because they are so accessible and affordable. They aren't for me, though. Just not comfortable, and I haven't enjoyed shooting them. I could get used to it, and many people have to because they are standard issue in many places. I just decided to go with something else that did feel comfortable, because I knew I would practice with it more.
For me it's about comfort, discretion, and shot placement.
I found a guy making holsters that had a mold for my gun...Super happy with it.
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I looked at a 43 today. It was pretty nifty. I might get that or a Sig P238 for concealed carry.
I have to admit my 43 has completely replaced my pair of Shields for CCW. I've found the 43 with a simple change of sights (Ameriglo I-Dot Pros) works better for me than my customized Shields (full Apex action kits.) Plus, it carries lighter and thinner.
 
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I have to admit my 43 has completely replaced my pair of Shields for CCW. I've found the 43 with a simple change of sights (Ameriglo I-Dot Pros) works better for me than my customized Shields (full Apex action kits.) Plus, it carries lighter and thinner.
I did like the weight and the more slight profile. The Sig I was looking at was neat, but I already have a 1911 style, and for CCW, I really like the ready-to-go nature of the Glock. The price also seemed pretty fair.
 
I have to admit my 43 has completely replaced my pair of Shields for CCW. I've found the 43 with a simple change of sights (Ameriglo I-Dot Pros) works better for me than my customized Shields (full Apex action kits.) Plus, it carries lighter and thinner.

What do think of that grip extension hanging down from the bottom of the 43 magazine?

I would have bought a 43, but I did not like the short frame. Instead of making the frame short and extending it on the magazine, I would have made the frame longer and added an extra round. It would have been hardly any larger than the 42.

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Not a fan of grip extensions on my 26. If I wanted a longer grip, I'd carry the 19. I did get extensions when I got the 26 because I thought they were cool and I'd need them to get a good grip but the 2-finger grip works fine for me. There was a product called Agrip (I think) that I used on a 19 that was really cool if you think you need the grip to help control the pistol. Very thin stuff and not sticky but grippy. Held up very well on the 19. Better than those sandpaper-style stick on things I've see on some pistols.
 
Kind of interesting how some people talk about Glock's grip angle. If the grip is too large, that's one thing to complain about, but to complain about the angle of the grip is really based on muscle memory from shooting other pistols. Because as you hold various autos and revolvers, you are subconsciously adjusting your wrist so the sights align when you aim. If you start with a Glock, then it would feel natural and other pistols would have an odd grip angle.
If you are hitting the dirt, then you are really pulling the tip down while pulling the trigger, and that's really operator error. Not saying I'm the best shooter as I hit the dirt during shooting training at police academy.

It's not the grip angle that presents a training issue for most folks, it's actually the bore axis.

A lower bore axis will facilitate greater accuracy, with less practice, for a majority of shooters. The 1911 has a relatively low axis compared to most Glocks, which makes it a more naturally pointable pistol.

Ideal bore axis would be perfectly in line with your index finger (thus impractical or impossible from a design standpoint). A higher one requires more range time to program the brain to compensate.

It's just another variable to be adjusted for and trained through.
 
I am pretty sure that the Glock has a lower bore axis than the 1911.

Depends on which specific models we're talking about. A 1911 produced in its birth-year will have a higher axis than one produced today, as well as a different grip angle. And there is also some variation in Glocks as well. Every manufacturer refines their product.

Generally though, I've found the modern 1911 to be more easily pointable than the Glock. Different strokes.
 
It's not the grip angle that presents a training issue for most folks, it's actually the bore axis.

A lower bore axis will facilitate greater accuracy, with less practice, for a majority of shooters. The 1911 has a relatively low axis compared to most Glocks, which makes it a more naturally pointable pistol.

Ideal bore axis would be perfectly in line with your index finger (thus impractical or impossible from a design standpoint). A higher one requires more range time to program the brain to compensate.

It's just another variable to be adjusted for and trained through.
Yeah, I wasn't good at shooting before I started police academy. When we started the firearms section of the academy, I was scoring in the mid 70% and when we qualified, I was scored in the low 90% so the training instructors and practice helped a lot.
 
What do think of that grip extension hanging down from the bottom of the 43 magazine?

I would have bought a 43, but I did not like the short frame. Instead of making the frame short and extending it on the magazine, I would have made the frame longer and added an extra round. It would have been hardly any larger than the 42.

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I actually like the pinkie rest - it makes the gun feel like it's in better control. That said, I shoot the flat bottomed mag just as well as the extension.
 
It's not the grip angle that presents a training issue for most folks, it's actually the bore axis.

A lower bore axis will facilitate greater accuracy, with less practice, for a majority of shooters. The 1911 has a relatively low axis compared to most Glocks, which makes it a more naturally pointable pistol.

Ideal bore axis would be perfectly in line with your index finger (thus impractical or impossible from a design standpoint). A higher one requires more range time to program the brain to compensate.

It's just another variable to be adjusted for and trained through.

It's absolutely angle-related for me. If I draw down naturally the same way I do my other pistols, I'm left with my bore angle upward about 5+ degrees.
 
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