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Good mods for Fender Jazz

Yeah, there can be many takes on this....

my thus far workhorse, is a 72 all original Fender Jazz. This I would never touch apart from to play it. That of course is a "sacred" vintage bass....

Okay, here's my story...
In the beginning I went from a short scale Kalamazoo, to a SS Coronado II, to a '72 Jazz.
It took a long time before I appreciated the Jazz, and I thought it was the long scale / short scale thing. Although I got over it, and could play both equally well, I still favored the Coronado.

Eventually the bridge pup went out on my Jazz, and I replace both with Lindy Fralins. For the first time, the Jazz sounded right and became a joy to play. It was a natural finish w/ white PG, and I had it refin to burnt orange w/ tort PG years ago. Those three mods made a plain Jane mediocre sounding bass that I would have sold in a heartbeat, to a total keeper.

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clauscaixa said:
@fivestringgecko: I just browsed through the Seymor Duncan pup line-up and totally lost the big picture. Do you which model designation yours have?

For sure man! I've got the Quarter Pounders five string pickups. They were a straight drop-in, no modding required, which is one of the reasons I went with them.

[URL="http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/bass/pickups-for-jaz/5string/quarterpound_fo/]Quarter Pound for 5-string Jazz Bass® SJ5-3[/URL]

Also, I'll try and dig around... I've got a back issue of Bass Player magazine from a couple years ago that had a big that had a big pickup shootout. I think they tested out like 15-25 pickups? It's in a box from a move, but I think I'm pretty sure where it is. If/when I find it, I might be able to scan it in and email it your way. It was pretty helpful.

On the subject of bridges... I wish I could find the video, but some guy did a comparison between a stock bridge and a Babicz and there actually was a bit of difference. Wasn't huge, but it was noticeable. I'll dig around the interwebs some more...

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as a proud owner of a '96 american standard P that i also bought as a "platform", let me pipe in here;

don't change the bridge, it's one of the best things about that bass! low-mass, but rock-solid from being string-through, and with adjustable spacing. you won't improve on it, certainly not with a pot metal badass. (my favorite is the first generation, with the grey steel saddles; the finer grooves allowed for better spacing, and the steel adds a nice clear sustain.)

do change the pickups. the american standard pickups are fine, but they're not great. they use a molded plastic bobbin which puts a layer of plastic between the windings and the magnets, creating a magnetic gap; vintage pickups wind the coated wire right onto the magnets, so there's no gap. it's not a big difference, but it is a difference.

definitely change the keys! the old american standard keys are freakin' boat anchors; coupled with the often lighter-weight bodies from that time, you get a neck-diving bass. some lightweight keys (i used the black boron-housing schallers) will let it hang much better.

pickguards are easy; the stock white is boring, so anything else will be cool. i've found genuine fender guards to be both the best quality and the best-fitting. unfortunately, you don't get the jaco-style "no pickguard" option on the jazz, as there's a big ugly rout around the neck pickup.

paint is a major ordeal; i'd avoid this rabbit-hole, as you need real expertise, time and money to get something that looks half as good as a stock $200 squier.

with electronics, the sky's the limit. i went with a fralin pickup and 500k pots for mine; it's now an aggressive, loud and proud rock machine that will still do whatever else i need.

american standards have a really well-designed basic structure, with graphite rods in the neck, a thicker headstock to eliminate dead spots, and that through-body bridge. hopped up the right way, they can hang with lulls, laklands and sadowskys all day long.
 
Early this morning I ordered a pair of SD quarter pounders as recommended. Then pondered it for an hour or so, read some reviews, then cancelled the order and placed a new order for a set of DiMarzio Ultra Js.

Reasoning: I already have a 70s J, and this new bass should complement the old war horse in terms of tone.

Felt going with DiMarzios was a bit lame/boring/not original, but reviews were good and pointed towards a tonal character that I would like to explore.

Looking into prices of a paint job. Lake Placid blue would be nice ... something blue, at least
 
I have a great 2003 American Series, and I largely agree with walterw. Don't change the bridge. The multi-groove saddles and through body stringing are great. My mods: (1) Lindy Fralin Split-Jazz pickups to go noiseless and have outstanding J-bass tone; (2) Hipshot drop-tuner on the E string; (3) Fender black sparkle pickguard, which looks weird, but in a cool way IMO. With the noiseless Fralins and drop-tuner, it's a total rock machine. Walter's right about the heavy tuners, so changing those could be worthwhile, but I haven't bothered.

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S1 switch if you're inclined, but this makes it sound very unlike a J bass when on, and eliminates blending options, so I wouldn't bother.

+1. This is one of the big reasons why I switched out the S1 plate for the Audere preamp. When you push the S1 switch, it cancels one volume control because it switches the pickups to be wired in series. You end up with a "sort of Pbass-ish" tone (like a Jazz bass sound too much Pbass seasoning). I don't play a Jazz bass to try and get some other sound... I play a Jazz bass because I want the Jazz bass sound!

On a different note, I found the video of the bridge comparisons I was thinking about... it wasn't between Babicz and stock, it was between Babicz and Badass. I can hear a difference, but judge for yourselves.

Babicz vs Badass II Bass Bridge

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Rickenbacker hi-gain PU in the mid/neck position. I did just that on a '72 Jazz Bass in the early '80s, amazing tone and versatility. A friend of mine has the bass now and he put a fretless neck on, wonderful sound from it. :bassist:
 
Check out adding a "solo switch". Its a switch that switches the pickup's signal to going direct out (instead of through the pots). This usually adds a good amount of mids and "growl", and it can still be played stock when you turn off the switch. I think I have a j-bass wiring diagram for this somehwere, I can send it to you if you're interested.
 
I don't ever get on the high mass bridge bandwagon. Unless there is a problem with the existing bridge, I don't hear much if any advantage.

I have an old American Standard that I added a hipshot extender and dropped custom shop 60s in. I also rewired the whole thing, adding a push-pull to each volume knob. One switch was for series/parallel, like an S-1. (for the record, I did it first, so, clearly, Fender copied me). I didn't find it all that useful. It is a different sound, but the volume jump was an issue. This might be a good option for a passive "lead boost," I guess. The second switch to throw the pickups out of phase. Now, this sounds like a terrible idea because phasing killsvall your low end and makes you sound like you are playing bass through a telephone speaker. But, with a little blending of the volume knobs, there is a happy medium with enough lows and some extra midrange bite. Of the two, the phase switch is the more useful option for me.
 
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If these mods are truly a learning exercise, how about this? A Fender Jazz has 250k pots. Try 500k pots and see if you notice any difference. Try a push-pull on the tone knob to bypass the capacitor; that way you can a/b to compare a passive circuit with and without a tone control. Also try different capacitor values to see what works for you. These are all inexpensive, reversible changes tat might help you zero in on what works best for you.

Trying a bunch off different pickups is expensive. If you want to do that, it is a good idea to first undersand how other components affect your tone.

Also, try as many different brands and kinds of strings as you can. IMO, nothing affects tone more than strings. I alternate between experimentation and "tried and true" with strings. There is so much variety out there that there is always another set to try.
 
I first used a J-Retro preamp in my April 1965 Fender Jazz Bass.
As a backup to my G&L L2500 I purchased a Squier Affinity which at £210 GBP represents good value for money.
I've fitted the J-Retro to the Affinty and all I can say is amazing.
Played a venue a few weeks back that I first played in 1962 and used the affinity all night.
 

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