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Grindcore

#622
Zoa said:
I wasn't really arguing anything. I was merely stating that in my experience, among the instrumentally inclined (thanks for the correction jive) high schoolers, there tend to be more people that play metal or core genres. In addition, again IME, among the kids that I know that rap, their rapping is usually a much smaller part of their self-image than metal is to the metal kids. I wasn't trying to offend anybody, just trying to contribute to the discussion by stating my personal experience.

To lethargytarte, I don't think that my post has any speculation at all. It is either demographic facts, or personal experience. I don't think that anyone argues that there are more white kids in this country than black kids. Simple demographics. Second, part of America's legacy of racism is that on average, black families are poorer than white families. This is terrible, but true. My third point is purely personal experience.

IME, a high schooler that plays metal guitar, when asked about it, is more likely to say something like "I'm a metal guitarist," rather than "I play guitar." Likewise, an African-American kid who raps, is more likely to say "I rap," rather than "I'm a rapper." Interestingly enough, this hasn't held true with white kids I know who rap. They also tend to identify themselves as rappers rather than people who can rap. I think bassk is on to something when he says that music is so ingrained in African-American culture that it isn't so much of a big deal.

And now that I think about it, this has nothing to do with the thread, so I should shut up now.
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Bassk is very right. As an African American myself, from what I have seen, the average young black kid is more concerned about making it in sports(if thats his thing) than music.

But trust me there are still a lot of brothers out there trying to make big and sell cd's and do underground shows. They are more direct with their sales approach and will try to get you to stop and listen while youre walking around the street. And they release a lot of local compilations with other small artists with the hope of attracting attention.

However, again, for the most part, the average black kid is just doing hip hop as a side thing to school, work, or whatever else hes into.
 
#623
AltGrendel said:
I would appreciate it if those of you who say "So and so isn't Grindcore" would post a link to a vid that you consider to be Grindcore.

Thanks.

Edit: Yes, I realize that others have posted links, but I think it'd help anyway. At least say "So and so's link is a good one."
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Here's some stuff that maybe a little more musical then you'd think grindcore could be. Maybe not "core" but grind anyway.

http://youtu.be/j4OrOdgt7nc

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http://youtu.be/QRnk6FSpbUM

This one's less grind, still of the same ilk:
http://youtu.be/gKkn-YjYmCA
 
#624
In my experience with this genre most of the people how listen to, play, and participate in creating grind, love engulfing themselves in, what would seem to most people to be chaos. I personally love grind/grindcore/power violence, and it stated mainly because I have such extreme ADD. I don't have attention span to listen to a pop song. I don't even like hearing the same riff in a song more than once or twice. Unfortunately my ADD also makes me quick to anger, and obviously grind helps with that. It also has nothing to do with how intelligent you are, in fact most of the grindcore musicians know have an IQ well over 130, and some of us (most of best artists) are up around 150 - 160. So for some people it's more than just a F**k off to your parents, or a look how extreme I can be, It's what they're comfortable with.
 
#625
:hyper: BINGO!!! :hyper:


jive1 said:
I remember once long a go when my guitar player was going on about how crappy NSync and Backstreet Boys were. Then a fellow bassist told him "Dude, you're not supposed to like it because you're not a 14 year old girl".

I did a Christmas album we sent to friends that had a Punk Rock version of "Little Drummer Boy" on it. My in-laws were offended. My response was, "Sorry, I didn't record that song for you." I recorded it for my friends who dig Punk. And they did.
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Same with Grindcore, you're not supposed to like it because it wasn't made for you. It's sorta like a man complaining that a tampon doesn't fit him.
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#626
One of the things that always gets me is people lumping all of a given genre together.

It is like when someone says they think all jazz sounds the same. It takes time to understand the subtle differences in jazz. After you do understand the differences you look back and wonder how you ever thought some of these artists ever sound alike.

It is fairly similar with a lot of extreme metal.

While grindcore doesn't tend to be my favorite genre of music there are some incredible players and ideas in the genre.

Finally, if your music doesn't make older people turn away in disgust you are doing something wrong. There was a time when older people thought that Buddy Holly was just a bunch of noise.
 
#632
I won't say that "grindcore" isn't a valid form of music and art, but Bluewine, you indeed are lucky to have grown up in that era. Don't feel alienated by being a certain age though, I'm 21 and I listen to more '60s-'80s than anything. :)

If I had a time machine, the first places I would go are Woodstock and some early Beatles shows!
 

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