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Guitar Scale Acoustic Basses

How do they sound unplugged and plugged in? How is the feel of the string? I mean SS rounds tend to feel sharp to me, where nickel rounds tend to feel smoother and and have less of a bite.

They feel smooth and comfortable. Tone wise, they are warm when I play up the board, and biting when I play down the board. Very pleased with the tone. For me, they are Far superior to the stock strings. Everyone's mileage may vary.
 
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Awesome. Thanks for the gig report.

Anyone gigging with one of these should be posting.

Bonus points for audio or video.
Ok, Team Guitar Scale Acoustic Bass, I have a winning alternative.

There is no major innovation here, but - it just plain works.

If you are like me and just don't like the sound and feel of phosphor bronze, this nickel solution works:
Ernie Ball Extra Slinky Bass 95 - 40.

It gives me the extra I needed on the E string. It's very even sounding, and intonation is Perfect on my MK.
Absolutely perfect.
Strings were stable extremely quickly.

Played with them last night and this morning, and they are a keeper.
You will be cutting into the string, but they are very flexible, and they went on with no issue at all.

These will be my strings.

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I use this set on my ‘78 StingRay. Good strings!
I still have the original strings on my Ibby AVN. They sound good in a live gigging situation.
 
I found this thread while researching Ubasses. I went through a lot of it and hope that you all will answer some questions for me.

1) I get the impression that the "bang for the buck" GSAB is the Ibanez PNB14E. True?

2) I've listened to some demo videos and on some I'm hearing a fairly prominent string "rattle" or "buzz" sound. I think it was most noticeable on a Taylor GS video. I realize that the metal strings will sound different than the plastic strings on a Ubass but I don't hear the same thing on full scale basses with metal strings. Is what I'm hearing due to the shorter scale of the GSAB or is it due to recording technique or something else?

3) What would be the reason to pick a Ubass over a GSAB, or vice versa?

Thanks!
 
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I’ve been gigging a GSAB for several months.
A bit of top end and rattle is actually a good thing in a live mix. If you really analyse an acoustic guitar tone there’s plenty of it. You don’t want to get hung up on it too much I reckon.
If things get loud-ish, the extra punch from 25” scale is good. You can “dig in” a bit more. 25”-30” is my preferred range.
Best wishes.
 
I found this thread while researching Ubasses. I went through a lot of it and hope that you all will answer some questions for me.

1) I get the impression that the "bang for the buck" GSAB is the Ibanez PNB14E. True?

2) I've listened to some demo videos and on some I'm hearing a fairly prominent string "rattle" or "buzz" sound. I think it was most noticeable on a Taylor GS video. I realize that the metal strings will sound different than the plastic strings on a Ubass but I don't hear the same thing on full scale basses with metal strings. Is what I'm hearing due to the shorter scale of the GSAB or is it due to recording technique or something else?

3) What would be the reason to pick a Ubass over a GSAB, or vice versa?

Thanks!

1 - Everyone will evaluate that differently, but yeah, that PNB14E is an Excellent build - and just plain Amazing for the price.

2 - I didn't have any rattle or buzz on my PNB14E, and I don't have it on my MK.

3 - This is a very subjective thing. The UBass got all of our attention. It was unique and lots of fun, with very interesting tone. Eventually, though, for some, including me, some things wore off. I no longer want to play a bass that looks like a toy in my hands. I no longer want to play a bass with synthetic strings, especially, in the case of the Pahoehoes - seriously Unstable synthetic strings. I am currently thinking that the GSAB size and scale, with metal strings, is the absolute sweet spot.

The myth of needing a 34" scale Tree in your hands - is - yeah, a Myth. Nonsense. Lots of people and manufacturers are finally figuring this out.
 
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In my time of playing the GSAB's at local stores, my favorite tone wise is the Guild Jumbo Junior. To me it is the closest to the P bass tone and also has the simplest controls...just volume and tone. Now that being said, I think the MK is probably the best bang for my buck, I just don't like something about it! Comes with a decent gig bag, more than adequate electronics and is string through so I don't have to deal with bridge pins. Plus its a good looking instrument! If your looking for a little longer scale, the Gold Tone 25" is also really nice with a nice gig bag. It is also string through, just more like a U bass string through.

The 25" Gold Tone is just a touch big. If I want to go that big I'd just go to a 30" ABG. The Guild however just feels "right" not really sure why, but it just does. The Gold Tone 23" is a close second, especially if a I go fretless. I want to like the MK, but for me something is just missing and I'm not really sure what it is.

I just wish that Galli Strings would make same Tapes or Flats for the GSAB, especially the Guild and the 23" Gold Tone. LaBella has similar flats, but they are designed for the solid body 23" from Gold Tone.

There is my rambling...take it for what it is worth!
 
I found this thread while researching Ubasses. I went through a lot of it and hope that you all will answer some questions for me.

2) I've listened to some demo videos and on some I'm hearing a fairly prominent string "rattle" or "buzz" sound. I think it was most noticeable on a Taylor GS video. I realize that the metal strings will sound different than the plastic strings on a Ubass but I don't hear the same thing on full scale basses with metal strings. Is what I'm hearing due to the shorter scale of the GSAB or is it due to recording technique or something else?
It’s mostly playing technique.

Particularly when these things first came out, demonstrators were failing to adjust their technique to the soft tension and more flexible strings.

The slightly longer scale on the Ibanez models helps to reduce unintended clangs, as do the slightly higher tension of La Bella CB40’s.

If you want a better idea of what a well-played GSAB sounds like, check out this Ibanez demo, especially the plugged-in second half:


Perhaps it helped that I don't pound on my conventional basses, but I was consistently getting that sort of tone within a couple of days after taking my AVNB1e home.

I want to be absolutely clear on this: I have no trouble getting similar tones out of Taylors in the store, despite them having the shortest scale of the three brands.

I loved my AVNB1E, but I traded it in for a Guild late last year. I am enjoying the couple of extra frets clear of the body on the Guild, but to be honest it was very hard to choose between the two. The Ibanez isn't as pretty, and the 12th fret body joint is a little restrictive, but it was a little better made. Both sound great acoustically or amplified.

Despite the inch and a half (more or less) between the shortest (Taylor) and the longest (Ibanez), string tension really isn't the dominant factor.

Plugged in, I've found the biggest divide to be between the models with limited EQ (Taylor and Guild), compared to the ones with regular bass and tone controls (Ibanez for sure, and some others as well).

The Guild has a more limited tonal pallette, since all you can do is roll off some treble. Amongst the Ibanez models, the AVNB1E in particular has a stout preamp, with tons of output and an excellent XLR output built in. The bass and treble controls have a lot of range, and I was able to get great sounds at both extremes.

I got fairly convincing electric bass tones out of the Ibanez by rolling off a little bass and treble, but I could also get huge, almost subsonic reggae bass tones by pushing the bass control. If I want to do the same sort of thing on the Guild, I have to use a floor preamp to add external tone shaping.

The Taylor is the best finished, and has a more quality feel. However, the pickup system sounds pretty anemic in comparison. It's my least favourite plugged in...
 
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Thanks for all the info! That clip of the AVNB1E sounds great to me. Nothing like the rattle/buzz that I heard on the YouTube vid, which I can't find now.

Does MK mean Michael Kelly, as in

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Subjective, I know, and lots more $$ than the $150 UBasses I was looking at but to me that is a beautiful instrument.

I've read a lot of complaints about the rubbery strings on the UBasses so something with metal makes sense.

I'll have to give this some serious thought and consider the price points of the different choices. It would be nice to have something in hand now since I have a lot of "virus avoidance" time to get acquainted.

One other thing comes to mind -- I plan on playing this with a ukulele group (which is why I started looking at UBasses). Given that, anything else I should keep in mind re picking a particular GSAB?

Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions!
 
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Thanks for all the info! That clip of the AVNB1E sounds great to me. Nothing like the rattle/buzz that I heard on the YouTube vid, which I can't find now.

Does MK mean Michael Kelly, as in

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Subjective, I know, and lots more $$ than the $150 UBasses I was looking at but to me that is a beautiful instrument.

I've read a lot of complaints about the rubbery strings on the UBasses so something with metal makes sense.

I'll have to give this some serious thought and consider the price points of the different choices. It would be nice to have something in hand now since I have a lot of "virus avoidance" time to get acquainted.

One other thing comes to mind -- I plan on playing this with a ukulele group (which is why I started looking at UBasses). Given that, anything else I should keep in mind re picking a particular GSAB?

Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions!

Yep...that is what is meant by MK. There is an older verison, but the link appears to be the newest version. Looks like it may have been renamed, thought it used to be the Sojourn 4K or something like that.
 
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Thanks for all the info! That clip of the AVNB1E sounds great to me. Nothing like the rattle/buzz that I heard on the YouTube vid, which I can't find now.

Does MK mean Michael Kelly, as in

[This invalid link has been removed]

Subjective, I know, and lots more $$ than the $150 UBasses I was looking at but to me that is a beautiful instrument.

I've read a lot of complaints about the rubbery strings on the UBasses so something with metal makes sense.

I'll have to give this some serious thought and consider the price points of the different choices. It would be nice to have something in hand now since I have a lot of "virus avoidance" time to get acquainted.

One other thing comes to mind -- I plan on playing this with a ukulele group (which is why I started looking at UBasses). Given that, anything else I should keep in mind re picking a particular GSAB?

Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions!

I have the new version, and there is much to love. Gorgeous bass.
 
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Thanks for all the info! That clip of the AVNB1E sounds great to me. Nothing like the rattle/buzz that I heard on the YouTube vid, which I can't find now.

Does MK mean Michael Kelly, as in

[This invalid link has been removed]

Subjective, I know, and lots more $$ than the $150 UBasses I was looking at but to me that is a beautiful instrument.

I've read a lot of complaints about the rubbery strings on the UBasses so something with metal makes sense.

I'll have to give this some serious thought and consider the price points of the different choices. It would be nice to have something in hand now since I have a lot of "virus avoidance" time to get acquainted.

One other thing comes to mind -- I plan on playing this with a ukulele group (which is why I started looking at UBasses). Given that, anything else I should keep in mind re picking a particular GSAB?

Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions!

Like Steve, I struggled a bit too with my playing technique when I first started playing my Ibanez PNB14E. It required a much lighter touch than I was used to. Now however I find I can switch back and forth easily and the lighter touch required on the short bass actually has transitioned over to my other basses. For me it's a good thing.
If you're on a budget the PNB14E is 90% of the AVN at half the price. While I don't also own an AVN bass, I do own the guitar version of it with the same preamp and Fishman pickup system. It's a fine system but not noticeably better than the one in the PNB. I gig my PNB14E all the time and its a fabulous little bass for that purpose. One of the best $250 I've ever spent.
I also have a Uke bass but I only use it for fun around the house and at jams with friends. I know some people gig with them but to me it is more of a fun toy. I started out with a pretty damn expensive Kala but could never warm up to it and it seemed like too much investment for an around the house toy. So I sold it and later purchased a cheapie used UK Dream uke bass for 80 bucks. I like the UK Dream just as much as the Kala, maybe even more. For jamming with other ukulele players it would work fine. Don't spend a fortune on a uke bass... :rollno:
 
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I've read a lot of complaints about the rubbery strings on the UBasses so something with metal makes sense.

One other thing comes to mind -- I plan on playing this with a ukulele group (which is why I started looking at UBasses). Given that, anything else I should keep in mind re picking a particular GSAB?
While I could see the old Sojourn 4K working well for solo bass (who is going to be the next acoustic Michael Manning?), I wouldn’t want one as a supporting bass instrument. Too brassy-sounding, just like all the full sized steel string ABG’s I’ve flipped over the years.

In my case, the warm sound of nylon-strung GSAB’s is what finally overcame my resistance.

That said, the Sojourn Port looks like a very tasty piece. If it turns your crank, get one, and the heck with what anyone else on TB has to say about it. After all, despite all the consumerist nonsense on TB, there is no good/better/best with basses.

in terms of what would work in a Ukulele group, sound is everything. Uke basses are OK, but the rubber strings limit expressiveness- they’re pretty much a one trick pony. Plus, the acoustic output is weak. If I were in a Ukulele band, I would go for a GSAB in a heartbeat. Come to think about it, the brighter sound of the MIchael Kelly might work better in that context...
 
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I go to a Uke group once a fortnight with my tenor Uke. I’m only new and it is a community activity more than a performing band.

A bloke there has a bass he built out of a small guitar. It sounds rather good and hence my interest in this thread when I noticed it. Another guy has a bass Uke ( he brings a tenor as well), so I’m no 3 choice at best.

I was very interested in this Ibanez PNB, it seems to be nearly the same price as a bass Uke, which really brings it up as a valid option. I currently own an Ibanez Acoustic bass, a 32” scale. Which, although I haven’t asked, would be a little large for use with the ukes.
Any thoughts on how the parlour Ibby PNB would compare to my Ibby ?

I’m just pondering.
 
I go to a Uke group once a fortnight with my tenor Uke.

...I was very interested in this Ibanez PNB... I currently own an Ibanez Acoustic bass, a 32” scale. Which, although I haven’t asked, would be a little large for use with the ukes.

Any thoughts on how the parlour Ibby PNB would compare to my Ibby ?
If they tell you that a 32" ABG is too large, show them this clip of the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain:



Full-sized ABG's are all over the place when it comes to loudness.

Still, it's likely that the PNB will have a little less acoustic output than your 32" Ibby. However, it will have a warmer tone with less spiky upper mids. Depending on how large the group is, the PNB may keep up with ukuleles in an un-amplified situation.

However, all of these basses sound better with a bit of a lift in the low end. You don't need a lot of support- just enough to fatten it up.

Do you need an amp to be battery powered? If not, by far and away the best deal I've found is the Headrush FRFR-108 powered speaker. Crazy good for $200 US, and loud. Amazing for an 8" woofer. It only has a contour button, but doesn't need EQ- the sound of your bass, only louder. At less than 20lb, it makes for a great one-trip carry.

Headrush FRFR-108 2000-watt 1x8" Powered Guitar Cabinet

If you need something cheaper and battery powered, there's pretty much only one game in town:

I'm not sure if it was on this thread, but I bumped into someone who hangs the Blackstar Fly 3 Bass and extension cab off his belt when he plays nursing homes. This allows him to roam around the facility without having to search for places to plug in. Cheaper than spit, at $120 US:

Blackstar Fly 3 Bass Pack - 3-watt 1x3" Bass Combo Amp w/Cabinet and Power

There aren't many other useable battery-powered choices until you get well up there in price.

The Boss Cube RX might be fine for bedroom use with a solid body bass, but I found it unusable for public performance. The raw acoustic output of a cheap Denver 34" ABG completely overwhelmed it. The RX started farting out at very low volume, and this was on AC power.

Traynor offers a couple of battery-powered combos. The TVM50 is much louder than the PJB, Boss or Blackstar. Proper 10" driver. However, the low end is weak, and the onboard EQ doesn't offer much range. I hear that Guitar Centre used to carry them, but I think they may be hard to find in the States these days...

Phil Jones offers well-made, quality stuff. However, I didn't think the Briefcase combo justifies it's high price.

I splurged for the Bose S1 Pro. It boosts the low end without sending electric, has bluetooth, useful 2-band EQ on both inputs, runs for hours on the built-in battery, and can double as a compact PA for duo gigs. Mine has been well received at acoustic jams, open mics and house parties. Small and unobtrusive, wide, even dispersion, tilts back so you can hear yourself without cranking it, and only 15lb.

Stupid expensive, though- $600 US for only 60 watts:

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/S1ProSys--bose-s1-pro-multi-position-pa-system-with-battery
 
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If they tell you that a 32" ABG is too large, show them this clip of the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain:

IMO, the 30 3/4" scale Guild B-240EF (or fretted B-240E) would work well in a ukulele band setting as well. They take standard medium scale bass strings (mine has Chromes on it now).

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