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Heckled....by the Restaurant/Bar Owner!?! Long Rant

A friend of mine said a bar manager didn't rebook her because he thought she was too "pitchy". She is a pretty good singer, more musical theatre than rock but she's definitely a cut above. As far as anyone knows the bar manager isn't a musician but while he is entitled to his opinion it did sound nitpicky.
 
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Placate the owner as much as you can. If you can't see the humor in a ridiculous situation, find a better gig. Telling the owner what to do in his own establishment is a non-starter. Don't even try. Ultimately it's about how to make it work for you somehow. Incorporate him into the act. It's showbiz.

If he's really the drunk you have made him out to be, there won't be a club to gig at for much longer anyway.
 
You're going to deal with drunks all the time - even if it's the owner. Might as well keep getting paid. Honestly I'd think it was funny. He should realize, however that HE is the reason people are leaving - not your band. As @MegaSwing said above, if he is that far gone and making a fool out of himself then the situation might get dire for the bar itself.
 
I would love for the OP to update us on how this turned out. This has been one of the most entertaining threads I have read in a while.

Most def. I will tell all after the gig tomorrow.

I've had the opposite, Playing to an empty room and had the owner come up and want us to play there regularly because we were great? Ended up doing a New Year's Eve party for big money. Played for 3 or 4 people and a bunch of empty chairs. :)




Wasn't much fun

I've had this happen too. Had a steady gig at a place on a military base that was always dead because people would go off base for the weekends. Apparently the military had budgeted for these gigs all year so they didn't mind playing us to play for a handful of people. The final straw was a New Year's Eve gig at this base where there were about 10 people at. Steady pay, decent money, no crowd ever. We stopped playing there.
 
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It shouldn't be too hard to get a couple of classics in per set. I would wait for him to kick off and play one then hope you can start the next set with ''One for Bob then we resume normal programming''. If he comes at you again you tell him those are all you got for this time but you're welcome to come back next time when you will have a couple more down.

For the love of of music, mute any mic he might grab and count off the next tune.
 
A friend of mine said a bar manager didn't rebook her because he thought she was too "pitchy".

Are you sure he didn't say she was "too pitchy, DAWG?"

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Apparently the owner is part of the entertainment because the regulars keep coming back.

What I suggest is that when the owner interferes, everybody walks off the stage, then ignore him. If he doesn't have an audience, he may give up and find someone else to abuse. Offer to talk with him when he's sober.
 
Tough situation for sure. Definitely a case for cooler heads to prevail. As the entertainers in control of the stage, you have to do what you can, pre-emptively and pro-actively, to subdue this, and fast. This bar owner has become dangerously emboldened.

As a band leader, this gave me a lot to think about. My gut says you need to take a multi-pronged approach:

1. You have got to get and keep the manager firmly in your corner, and he has to advocate for you guys. He needs to communicate to the owner (when he's sober) that he can't heckle and disrupt you guys mid-performance, and all the drawbacks that go with shouting out requests and critiquing the band and putting them on the spot while they are on stage. It's hard to believe anyone in the service industry wouldn't understand how to be more discreet, but they're out there.

2. If bar owner starts that crap again, you are going to have to treat him like any other disruptive drunk; either ignore him and play to THE AUDIENCE, or make some jokes at his expense to diffuse the awkwardness and continue playing to THE AUDIENCE. Don't let anyone, even the venue owner, distract and steal the show from you. Move from song to song quickly, no dead air. Take away this guy's voice and influence on your show, stay focused. Get the audience eating out of the palm of your hands, and they will join you in ignoring the bar owner, or they may even turn on him.

Those two things should give you back control of your stage and audience. If not, then you have some soul-searching to do and may need to re-evaluate your relationship with this club. I wouldn't subject my band to that kind of unprofessional inappropriate behavior from any client.

And why learn a bunch of extra songs if the manager and audience already like your playlist? I'd throw the owner a bone with one extra 70's song and give him a shout out when you play it (something you should be doing anyway).
 
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Another idea. Get those great rainbow Afro clown wigs and the huge two foot long sunglasses. Everytime the owner gets on stage, everyone automatically puts on the gear. When he is done, you take it off. Everyone has a whistle, and when is says a certain word, everyone blows their whistles.

The audience will find this amusing, and it might just confuse the drunk bastard.

We actually did this in a band when a drunk would show up and utter the words "freebird"

I love that!!!
 
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Get your Russell Crowe on. Be Maximus from Gladiator. Specifically "I will win the crowd"

Learn the Guardians of the Galaxy soundtrack (Awesome Mix Vol. 1) Bust one of the 70s tracks out when the owner demands a 70s tune. Chances are you don't lose the attention of the younger audience. They'll have a cultural touchstone to the tune. You (maybe) mollify the drunk and you avoid losing the audience.
 
Sad thing is alcoholics are unpredictable. It's his place so he isn't going anywhere. You rather have to view this like a dysfunctional relationship. Decide if there is enough "good" there to soldier on understanding that you will never know if you are getting the happy drunk owner or the belligerent drunk owner. That's tough. Good luck.
 
Unfortunate fact of life in this business: club/bar/restaurant owners are territorial, sometimes to the point of paranoia, often have drinking or drugging problems, and musicians are at the bottom of the the totem pole. Our keyboard/vocalist's previous band was set up for a weekend gig at a popular bar/restaurant and killing an hour or so before show time. Drummer said something to the doorman that annoyed him...band told to break down, leave, don't come back, any of you! No band that night. They wouldn't relent because it would show lack of control.
 
I've never typed this before, as it goes against TB norms but... Don't fire that drummer!
I joined his band (southern and classic rock) when I was 16, he and the other guys were 25+. We were the house band
for a local bar, 2 shows a week for 3 years...needless to say I learned a lot from this drummer! We met up again about
5 years ago, and still play tight together. 1 of the best I've played with too, so he'll always be in at least 1 project!
 
Gig Update. I know that the drama seeker in all of us would love me to say that the owner pulled the same crap, and a big bar brawl broke out in which all our gear got trashed and everyone went to jail but......no drama to report. We showed up, set up played what we normally do with the bar owner sitting at the bar pounding a steady stream of drinks and the manager nearby. No heckling, no requests, no complaints. Big crowd, so many people dancing after we started that we played 2 hours for the first set before we took a break. Now I'm not stupid. I know that it's inevitable that something will happen again because a drunk is always the unpredictable variable so I'm not optimistic about future gigs at this place. I will ride this until the wheels fall off and then move on.
 
I suppose I could post this in the Humor section too but I'm taking it pretty seriously, to the point of being anxious about this Saturday's gig at this restaurant/bar. First some facts about this gig. It's one of our higher paying ones and this will be the fourth gig there. Also, this is an earlier gig than most, we start at 730pm, while people are still eating dinner and crowd has been quite big the past three times we played there. The final fact is we are a rock cover band that primarily plays 80s, 90s, 2000s, with very few 70's tunes. There are a few pop songs in there too but leaning more towards rock across the board. We advertise the band this way.

OK, first gig at this place several months ago, goes excellent! Good turnout, good response, dinner crowd stuck around, actually paid us a little more than promised because of how well it went, etc. Bar owner was there and danced (and drank) steadily throughout the night. Nothing but compliments. Offered us a steady gig there and we were happy so we go on our merry way.

Second gig, while setting up before we even start, bar manager comes up to us and asks us to please start with a little more laid back, softer music to start with because during the first gig, the bar owner was concerned our starting songs were too heavy (you know our usual songs that we start of with are Brian Adams, Goo Goo Dolls, Matchbox 20....real heavy stuff o_O).
Manager says that owner was concerned that we scared some people off last time (which didn't happen). We all scratch our heads but agree to start of quiet, almost bordering on acoustic and after about 30 minutes we start playing like we normally do. No complaints, gig goes good, crowd was good, manager and bar owner had nothing but compliments again. Bar owner was not there the whole time but when I saw him he was dancing (and drinking) like before.

Third gig, we figured ok, start off kinda mellow and after about 30 minutes we can "get heavy" :D. We get past the mellow stuff and were probably 3 or 4 tunes into the regular stuff and bar owner actually comes up to us (drinking as usual, basically drunk) and interrupts the set while we are playing. He's shouting all kinds of tunes at us (none of which we usually play but could). In fact, our set lists are available on our facebook page. Everything we are playing is the same as the first two gigs except a few tunes maybe. At this point, he is on stage and has stopped us from playing. He proceeds to tell us that we are playing songs that no one knows (not true, in fact we are playing the same songs we played the first two times) and that on our first gig he really enjoyed it because we played mostly 70's music (again, not true, we have exactly one 70's song in that first set normally).

At this point after about 10 minutes of heated discussion and listening to the bar owner, people are getting visibly irritated and some are starting to leave. At this point bar owner actually points at people leaving and says "see, they're leaving because you guys aren't playing songs they want." Really?? This absolutely killed the momentum for the rest of the night. When we started playing again, bar owner was sitting at the bar yelling all these 70s tunes that he claims we played the first night (which we didn't). Getting heckled by people is one thing.... but the owner? Later manager comes out and apologizes to us and tells us to keep doing what we are doing, that the owner doesn't know the place and that he is just an old man (he's in his 60's and I would say that most people there were anywhere from 20's to 60). We get paid the same as usual and manager assures us that we are great and that we do what we do and don't worry about the owner!?! Which by the way, at this point was barely upright from drinking, but still managed to tell us that he expected more 70s tunes next time we are there. Manager said to ignore that because that doesn't suit the majority of the people there. Needless to say, we haven't exactly learned a lot of new 70s tunes.

I don't know what to think or if I should even think about this. To say I'm anxious about Saturday would be an understatement. In fact, I am dreading it. I'm dreading a repeat of the last scenario and me or my bandmates not being as cordial as we were last time. We discussed this as a band and the money is really good and we know that this is work and not for our personal enjoyment but where do we draw the line, if there is one to draw at all?


I guess I'd sit down with the owner and review the previous gig where he paid you more than promised because the people seem to enjoy the music.

Have him explain what why the change, in light that he paid you extra. Possible he is confusing you with another band?

The alcohol seems to be a big problem for him.

When we appear, we're there to play. The stage is our domain. If an owner was monopolizing the playing time, by drunk banter and people are leaving........I'd have instructed the other members to pack up and leave. Our reputation is getting maligned by his behavior.

I've been hired by owners I've known for years purely because we put asses in the seats and the clientele don't break up the place.

Owner did this when he went on vacation and his brother in law "ran" the place that night. The guy told us there was a change in the fee we were to be paid. I wasn't worried, I knew the owner would make good on the difference and most likely get someone else next vacation to run the place.

It gets better..........the in law then tells me we're to "back" him and a friend who wants to do some Goth Speed Metal, not really the crowd or place for this.

I decline for a whole host of reasons and try to spare his ego.

Finally, I explain, we are playing alone, no "friends" or we're leaving. Called his bluff. We played.

He still shorted our fee, owner made up the difference. He was glad to hear it as he had been told the whole fee was paid.

Stage time that is wasted on purpose for illegitimate reasons is NEVER going to be made up by us skipping a break or playing past the legal time limit.

Never dealing with that crap.

Ask him what changed, if he can't tell you, ask for much more money and review some future ground rules with him.
 
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Does it pay well enough to be yelled at each time you play? Factor in that locals are seeing someone yell at you. It doesn't matter how drunk he is, it's a bad image, but the money may justify it.

If it's enough money to play even if he does it every night, play on. But:

Bring your song list. Write up a contract that includes as long as you're playing songs on your song list
 

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