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Help me find my spot in the mix

Over the years I learned that what sounds really fine when you play at home or alone in a practice studio is often lost in the mix. I remember the aha moment when I came back from a gig where I'd fiddled with the tone on the bass to be heard really well. When I plugged it in at home, it sounded really thin with little bass whump. A good lesson learned.

As noted before, rounds and a filter to cut the lowest frequencies can really help as well. An added plus is that amps waste a lot of power trying to push out the lowest frequencies which can really sound muddy live.
 
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"Hey guys, like I was on TalkBass forum asking for advice on how to be better heard, maybe add another 4x10 cab, and some old farts said we should like, all turn down. Being like, totally wise beyond my years, I'm convinced! So, what do y'all say?"

"Oh... well if like, some old farts on your TalkBass forum said we should all turn down, I think we should, like, do that right now... cool!" :cool:

"OKAY I'M IN!" :woot:

"AWESOME DUDES!" :hyper:

"YEAH, WE'RE LIKE, ROCKIN' RESPONSIBLY NOW!!!" :bassist:

:roflmao::laugh::roflmao::roflmao:
 
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Try cutting lows (40 Hz), setting mid-lows at noon or boosting slightly (400 Hz) and boosting mid highs (1500 Hz).

I will third this, more or less. Roll off 63 a click or two. This is a poor man's HPF, saving power for your money mids and reducing costly, useless rumble.

Focus on high bass and low mids, cause that's where you will find your place. Boost 350 a couple clicks for punch. Add 150 or 800 for flavor. This is NOT a pretty bedroom tone, it's a sock 'em in the gut tone. Goose 2k or 5k if you must but that's not where the money is and I doubt that Gibson is putting out anything at 5k.

Try putting your 410 on a chair or whatever.

Figure out which power tubes you have to yank from the guitar amps to bring them down to a reasonable volume. Do this while the guitarists are elsewhere.

Finally, to answer the title question:

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I'm a college student from Athens, Ga. I play in a classic rock band in a college town with ~80 bars and a large Greek life scene. We play bars, frat houses, date nights, events, etc. 4 piece band, lead guitarist on a 3 pick- up les Paul, singer who plays rhythm guitar with a strat, drummer, and me, I recently upgraded from a squire p bass with SD quarter pound pickups to a Gibson SG standard bass. I play it through an Acoustic B300H 300W head to an Acoustic B410C cab.

I don't think my set up is nearly loud enough and I'm wondering what may be the most cost effective option to fix that. I live with the lead guitarist and we are both obsessed with tone. It's very hard to chase a clear punchy tone when you have to run your master on 9 with gain just to hear yourself. I want to be able to actually use my eq and pickups to get some fuzz or get some drive or play clean tones.
My thoughts are maybe I could get another cab? I know the one I have has the parallel out so I could run the same head and just get another of the cab I already have. It would certainly be cost effective. The question is whether or not 300w is enough for 2 4x10 cabs. I've gotten differing opinions in the past. I welcome all input. I just don't want to be stuck sending my master volume to the moon just to find my place in the mix. I could also look at other heads? I love ampeg heads but they get pretty pricey.
Thoughts and recommendations?
thanks so much for all the help!!!
1) Have your band turn down
2) Go back to the original "sits perfectly in the mix" bass and get rid of the one that sounds like a fart in a blizzard.
 
100W guitar amp is a LOT of amp. The guys I play with typically have 20-30W amps and we can get seriously loud (and often do). I typically use a 2x10 and 1x15 or a 1x12 and a 1x15. I also agree that the Gibbie might not be the best bass for your application, but try adding that extension cab first. And yes, although I've only been using one for a short while, my High Pass Filter has transformed my sound and my overall playing enjoyment.
Welcome to TB!

The Bar Band Bassman
 
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An Acoustic B300H through an Acoustic B410 cab... we're talkin' maybe 150 watts into a budget cab...

there's plenty of good advice to be had, and plenty given on ways to be better heard...

but for cryin' out loud, that does NOT mean they're too loud, nor that anyone should turn down.

In my most humble opinion.

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If someone is too loud, that is a different issue. As far as frequency space, get a multitrack recording of the gig. One track per input. The drums may not be recorded but do what you can.

Use a DAW or equivalent that shows frequencies of an audio track on playback. You may be better able to see where you are, maybe where you should be and where others should EQ to give you space. Logic Pro does a good job and can let you EQ tracks and see and hear in real-time how the track sound changes.

Hopefully you have a friend who can help you with this.

Most likely the others are just too loud.
 
Ding ding. The winner.

The whole band is playing way too loud. With 300W and a 410, suitably positioned, you should have no problem at all being heard, and with plenty of headroom / clearance, too.

This is my take as well. I played for over a decade through an old peavey centurion (130w @4) into a single 18" 8 ohm cab and never had any problem being heard with 2 guitarists playing on 5150s and 4x12s and a drummer.
 
Everyone likes to be loud, but if you get a guitarist to point this rig at his ears, you'll be surprised at how much they will turn down. Loud is good; painfully loud isn't.
Amazing how I never knew that. :woot:

With this new knowledge, I see it all clearly now, even though the OP never ever mentioned anything about pain, it's so obviously an issue here.

My bad! :)
 
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I'm a college student from Athens, Ga. I play in a classic rock band in a college town with ~80 bars and a large Greek life scene. We play bars, frat houses, date nights, events, etc. 4 piece band, lead guitarist on a 3 pick- up les Paul, singer who plays rhythm guitar with a strat, drummer, and me, I recently upgraded from a squire p bass with SD quarter pound pickups to a Gibson SG standard bass. I play it through an Acoustic B300H 300W head to an Acoustic B410C cab.

I don't think my set up is nearly loud enough and I'm wondering what may be the most cost effective option to fix that. I live with the lead guitarist and we are both obsessed with tone. It's very hard to chase a clear punchy tone when you have to run your master on 9 with gain just to hear yourself. I want to be able to actually use my eq and pickups to get some fuzz or get some drive or play clean tones.
My thoughts are maybe I could get another cab? I know the one I have has the parallel out so I could run the same head and just get another of the cab I already have. It would certainly be cost effective. The question is whether or not 300w is enough for 2 4x10 cabs. I've gotten differing opinions in the past. I welcome all input. I just don't want to be stuck sending my master volume to the moon just to find my place in the mix. I could also look at other heads? I love ampeg heads but they get pretty pricey.
Thoughts and recommendations?
thanks so much for all the help!!!

I played similar gigs and venues in my college years. Although a 500w head with a single 2x12 was often "enough," I eventually added a second 2x12 to help fill out the low end and also get the speakers closer to my ears. This helped a good bit.

With that being said, I'd first try reusing the precision bass. IME, I've had trouble getting Gibson basses to work in a mix. Could just be me, but precisions tend to have a bit more going on in their mids which should help.

If you're having trouble with the precision, then I'd take a look at your EQ settings. It's counter intuitive, but often the tones that sound pretty lackluster solo fit perfectly in a mix, and the reverse is typically true, too.

I'd start with EQ and Gain all at noon and the volume off. Slowly bring up the volume until you can hear yourself decently and then back off the gain all the way and start bringing it up until your notes start to "bloom." If your amp has a limiter or gain light, wait until it starts flashing and then bring it back a hair or so until it doesn't flash unless you really start to dig in. You'll repeat this process once your EQ is set, but I find it helps to get this situated first.

Slowly repeat the process for all EQ points (starting bass, mids, and then treble). The key is to wait until each frequency starts to "bloom" and then back off just a hair. You may need to repeat this a time or two, but eventually you should land at a point that is a good starting tone for your instrument. Now repeat the process for your gain one more time.

Once you're in your band setting, you can start tailoring your tone from here. IMO, it's best to remove EQ first before trying to add anything in. Typically your volume will drop a hair when you cut so you may need to raise your volume knob a little to compensate. Start your changes in the low end and work your way up.

If you do this, can find a tone that fits, but still can't hear yourself, then you should try raising your mids at this point. If this still doesn't help, then it's likely time for a second cab.

Good luck!
 
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