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There are different degrees of narcissism. Some ghosts aren’t doing much harm, they just don’t want to deal with the awkwardness of rejecting someone, it’s selfish but at least they’re kind enough not to get in your hair again. The ones who come back and pretend all is hunky Dory? That’s some high level narcissism right there!

There may be some narcissism there, but I didn't find him to have an extreme case of it. I've worked with many narcissists before. In my professional studies I did a lot of research on the narcissistic personality disorder. And anyone who participates in social media will be targeted by a narcissist eventually. Social media makes it safer for narcissists to seek supply because they can be rude, insulting, and manipulative online, yet face few consequences other than moderation. Plus the ratio of effort to reward is very low for narcissists, so the internet is very fertile ground for people seeking narcissistic supply (negative emotional reactions from others). Narcissists can rile up a lot of people with very little effort on the Internet. Therfore, exposure to online narcissism also tends to accelerate and develop coping skills as empaths (the favorite source of supply for narcissists) become subject to people with narcissistic tendencies.

I also don't believe he had enough of the symptoms to be considered a narcissist. Granted, I'm not a mental health professional, but being highly aware of narcissists' behavior, having been subject to their quests for narcissistic supply, and having routinely dealt successfully with narcissists, I honestly don't think he has the full-blown disorder. I worked closely with him in multiple contexts, and he didn't have the required number of symptoms found in the DSM manual that mental health professionals use to diagnose the disorder.

I do think it might have been an experience thing though. NOT a generational thing! I'm not leveling this against the entire generation, but against his personal lack of experience. I remember how incredibly naive I have been in areas in which I have lacked experience.

As you get older and learn from your mistakes, judgment improves and you know when to go back to people for help and resources, and when it's not appropriate. In this case, he misjudged.

I also wonder if he felt guilty and wanted to know the extent to which his ghosting had affected our relationship. It may have been a test to see the impact. The new president of the student organization had sent out a newsletter shortly before he contacted me; perhaps it triggered his conscience as he was on the list as a member of the organization. Perhaps this was his way of bringing some closure to his ghosting, albeit in an indirect way. However, I speculate.

The fact is, and I keep repeating this, I was more interested in understanding the ghosting mentality than anything else. Seems to be a widespread problem from the sound of it, something that disturbs people who are subject to it, and it appears to be a mildly controversial topic.
 
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A. If anyone has done this -- simply stopped communicating with otherwise reasonable people who have made a joint commitment to a project, musical or otherwise, I am willing to listen, without criticism. I want to understand the thought processes involved in simply stopping all communication when a commitment has been made.

B. Also, is there anything others can do to pre-empt this kind of response to a project when you sign on to a commitment of some kind, musical, or otherwise, to prevent this kind of hard landing to a project?

I see this as a younger generation thing, as both were in their mid to late 20's. I don't see it from older people unless there is a technology hiccup, lost phone, deleted email account, viruses, lost phone contact lists or other valid reasons.

Help to understand the thought process is welcome. I have trouble fathoming it.[/QUOTE]

I can't help you with any answers, but I've had the same experience with my generation (baby boomers), so I'm feeling this as another ongoing social decline (sad to say) to be fair.
 
I did write a reference letter once for someone who had not shown up for work 4 days in a row, never mentioned it when he showed up on day five, and then asked for a reference letter. I was honest. I said he is a nice young man who did sloppy work when he showed up, which is not when scheduled, nada nada nada. He never even looked at the letter. He just grinned, shook my hand, and left my office practically skipping down the hall.
 
Can anyone explain the follow-up mentality of asking for a reference after ghosting me and the entire organization he was supposed to be leading in Case #1 above? Is ghosting simply considered standard practice?

I can see it as an outgrowth of online interaction. For example, on Talkbass, all you have to do is ignore someone. Same on social media, just block their account -- end of the problem with no confrontation. That seems like a reasonable explanation -- misplacement of online interaction with arms-length relationships to face to face, more personal relationships.

I don't look at it as geezers beating up on the old generation though -- I view it as geezers trying to understand the underlying reasoning. It can help mitigate harsh judgments.
This is not ghosting this is just a bad guy nothing to explain about just bad people keep away from those kind of people
 
You cannot call a student a “bad guy” when the only thing the kid wanted was to study bass and the only thing his teacher wanted him to study was narcissism.

If I had told my parents when I was 29 years old that I was going to commit my life to studying narcissism, they would have thrown me out of the house.
 
You cannot call a student a “bad guy” when the only thing the kid wanted was to study bass and the only thing his teacher wanted him to study was narcissism.

If I had told my parents when I was 29 years old that I was going to commit my life to studying narcissism, they would have thrown me out of the house.
What the hill are you even talking about?

You've stated your own opinion, based on assumptions, plenty enough that we know where you stand. Anything else to say about it is just 'look at me' behavior.
 
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You cannot call a student a “bad guy” when the only thing the kid wanted was to study bass and the only thing his teacher wanted him to study was narcissism.

If I had told my parents when I was 29 years old that I was going to commit my life to studying narcissism, they would have thrown me out of the house.

He does seem obsessed with narcissism doesn't he?
 
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You cannot call a student a “bad guy” when the only thing the kid wanted was to study bass and the only thing his teacher wanted him to study was narcissism.

If I had told my parents when I was 29 years old that I was going to commit my life to studying narcissism, they would have thrown me out of the house.
Yes I can
 
Narcissism it’s also believe that you have the only truth and all of us are wrong
Ok. I didn’t know that but it sounds about right.

All I know is that if I’m walking through a college town and I have a heart attack on the street, the college students will help me. The professor teaching Narcissism 101 will call it ‘look at me’ behavior and walk on by.
 
Narcissism it’s also believe that you have the only truth and all of us are wrong

No, it's not. Narcissists may believe that, although that's more like megalomania. A narcissist may be well aware that what they are saying is not true, and indeed may tell different people different lies about thr snd thing , but believe that both will be believed. That's a function of their belief as a master spinner of untruths.
 
Another element occurred to me. Sometimes people have a particular low view of their worth, but people praise them. This can cause cognitive dissonance and one way to 'fix' this confusing emotion is to behave in a way such that the opinion of the world agrees. This is not often done consciously. This then allows the person to be angry at themselves of the world for treating them that was but anger is a less confusing emotion and can be a spur to positive action.

There's nowt s'queer as t'folk, as they say.
 
No, it's not. Narcissists may believe that, although that's more like megalomania. A narcissist may be well aware that what they are saying is not true, and indeed may tell different people different lies about the same thing, but believe that both will be believed. That's a function of their belief as a master spinner of untruths.

This is very wise commentary. Narcissists spin untruths for a variety of reasons. Some of these include a) to put others down, b) to elevate their own status, or c) to manipulate others into hurting people they target for narcissistic supply. Generally, I don't take the comments of narcissists seriously. There is often no commitment behind it (except to hurt someone), or it's not true.

After being baffled by their behavior for many years in face to face contexts, I realize narcissists aren't to be taken seriously. Their opinions don't matter because half of what they say isn't true anyway. Further, they don't have a deep conviction to any of their opinions - their opinions are servants to their quest for narcissistic supply. At one time I thought of them as they hoped I would -- superior, gifted, talented, this shining star brilliance and exceptionalism. Then when I started learning about them through research, I realized they are inwardly very insecure, often angry when people don't give them "narcissistic supply" or fail to buy into their false projection of themselves. Some are downright evil. As they say, all psychopaths are narcissists, although all narcissists aren't psychopaths.
 
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Another element occurred to me. Sometimes people have a particular low view of their worth, but people praise them. This can cause cognitive dissonance and one way to 'fix' this confusing emotion is to behave in a way such that the opinion of the world agrees. This is not often done consciously. This then allows the person to be angry at themselves of the world for treating them that was but anger is a less confusing emotion and can be a spur to positive action.

There's nowt s'queer as t'folk, as they say.

Some have indicated that narcissism is influenced by parental behavior in this way that @-Asdfgh- has mentioned. Narcissists often have parents who simultaneously belittle them and praise them. Often the praise is unjustified or for trivial achievements. The narcissists deal with the belittling by telling them everyone around them is a jerk, by aggrandizing their achievements and seeking negative supply. Negative supply (pleasure from hurting others) is a lot easier to get than the healthy forms of supply (true admiration for valid talents, true love, self-respect from exercising discipline, showing kindness in the face of bad treatment from others -- all the things empaths show). Think about it. If I want negative supply, all I have to do is walk up to any random person and insult them. I can hop on Facebook and make an inflammatory comment to someone I don't know. Often the effect is immediate. The other positive sources of supply take a significant amount of effort and often, the fulfilling effects aren't visible until a significant amount of time has passed, if ever. For the empath, often, virtue is its own reward with no external effects whatsoever.
 
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In my experience, it’s the trifecta of panic, paralysis, and shame. Millennials are raised by sinecure these days, so when the poopie hits the fan, or they can’t deliver on something they’ve taken on, they don’t ask for help, they crumble.
 
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