Help with getting started playing bass at a church

[yaksonator]

Its hard to make suggestions anout thisntypenof thing.. doing a quick search of churches in Las Vegas (your profile saud you were in las Vegas) i found this.
ICLV | Senior Pastor Paul Goulet | ICLV International Church of Las Vegas

There were a ton of churches that popped up.

 

[40Hz]

Depends on the denomination what sort of music and ensembles are allowed.

The fact you said “mass” leads me to think you’re referring to the Roman Catholic church?

If so, I don’t know where you are located, but where I am it seems RC services are pretty much exclusively traditional choir and organ with an occasional visit from a brass instrument on major religious holidays. Gone are the guitars, percussion and variety of different instruments that characterized the short-lived “Folk Mass” of the late 60s and 70s. There’s been a shift toward a more conservative trend in the RC church that basically threw out much of the openness and willingness to try new approaches that followed in the wake of Vatican II.

If I read the current rules correctly, there is now an official catalog of approved music titles that are allowed in RC services. If it’s not on the list, it’s not allowed. And preference is to be given to the human voice, organ, and those musical instruments traditionally used in church services (i.e. brass) when performing music as part of those services. So while electric bass and guitar are not specifically excluded from consideration, the few times I broached the topic of broadening instrumentation in the last few years with my parish’s music directors, I got a very noncommittal bordering on unencouraging response. But that may just be the way it is where I am.

Best bet is to visit the weekly services in a few different houses of worship where you are and see what they’re doing music-wise. And since churches view themselves as communities, you’ll probably get a much better reception if you at least become regularly seen attending their services before you ask about your possible participation in their music program. You have to keep in mind that the music in a worship service is just that: a form of worship. And while it may also be entertaining to listen to, it’s definitely not just entertainment to those involved.

Luck!

 

[Hurricane Jimmie]

So Anyway, THIS.
Yojimbo would be proud.

BTW- I played in a church band for about 15 years. They were the most highly trained musicians I've ever worked with. Each one could read music, knew theory, and had studied their instrument at the university level.
And then there was me.

 

[micguy]

I go to a multi site "mega church) - actually we're one of the first of that breed, but I digress. I am currently playing services at 4 of our sites (not all at once), and in the past I have also played at several campuses of a smaller "semi-mega" church locally. I was always very upfront that I was a member at the first place, but willing to help them out, and....the day I sent an email volunteering at the mini-mega church, I was on stage that evening - they really needed help. At that church, and at some of the campuses of the mega church, I have played with folks that are pros - hired guns, as it were, but in all cases we were all believers.

There is another mega church (not quite as big, but similar to the one I attend) that I don't play at. They are adamant about being a member of their church if you want to play on stage, and I respect that as their choice.

So, you don't always have to be a member, but you might need to be. Being a believer is a pre-requisite in many places, but we've also had seekers (those interested in the faith, but not yet fully committed) on stage with us here and there. If you believe that everyone on stage is a mature Christian, who has everything figured out, well.....that's just not true. We're as screwed up as the folks in the pews, including the person in your seat.

 

[Mister Boh]

Welcoming someone to be a part of the congregation, or welcoming someone to be part of leading the worship service, or both?

Both really. If the person is willing and able why would it matter? I've never understood excluding people who come in (pardon the expression) good faith.

With all due respect, I don't think you will read that any person on here that is involved with a Worship Team saying that their church will not 'welcome someone', including a non-believer, in fact just the opposite ... however, they will not likely give that individual a position with a role and responsibility to lead the congregation, which in essence, being a Worship Team member is often regarded as …

I see the distinction, but does it or should it matter either way is the only question I keep coming to.

 

[Brother Goose]

I've played in a few churches where the messaging was fairly different from my Presbyterian upbringing and values.

I'd bring a giant music stand and chair so I could sit down and hide my involuntary facial expressions during sermons.

On a somewhat related note I am also terrible at poker.

 

[wintremute]

Both really. If the person is willing and able why would it matter? I've never understood excluding people who come in (pardon the expression) good faith.



I see the distinction, but does it or should it matter either way is the only question I keep coming to.

For some churches it does matter. For some, leading the worship service is part of a larger testimony to God. While they're not delivering the message, and while they may not be leading prayer, the musicians are considered on the same level as the people who do this. So, for some churches, before you're allowed those positions of leadership, there are different checks in place to make sure you're the right person. I think a rough analogy could be made to "I've been practicing talking in front of people for about 2.5 years now, and I want to start doing it in front of real people. How do I get into this preaching thing? I don't care what the religion is, I just want to speak there."

However, that's just for some churches. I think some of the other worship bassists in here need to realize that what may be the protocols in their church do not necessarily apply to other churches. The best course of action is for the OP to contact his local churches and ask them. Also, my offer stands, @VolverseLoco give me a DM.

 

[DWBass]

Check your local Craigslist. I see ads all the time for churches looking for musicians.

 

[Mister Boh]

For some churches it does matter. For some, leading the worship service is part of a larger testimony to God. While they're not delivering the message, and while they may not be leading prayer, the musicians are considered on the same level as the people who do this. So, for some churches, before you're allowed those positions of leadership, there are different checks in place to make sure you're the right person. I think a rough analogy could be made to "I've been practicing talking in front of people for about 2.5 years now, and I want to start doing it in front of real people. How do I get into this preaching thing? I don't care what the religion is, I just want to speak there."

However, that's just for some churches. I think some of the other worship bassists in here need to realize that what may be the protocols in their church do not necessarily apply to other churches. The best course of action is for the OP to contact his local churches and ask them. Also, my offer stands, @VolverseLoco give me a DM.

I see. Thanks for the explanation! I've only been to churches from 3 or so denominations.

 

[40Hz]

I see the distinction, but does it or should it matter either way is the only question I keep coming to.

In theory and by the rules of logic it shouldn’t. But rules of logic don’t apply in spiritual matters. And ecumenism and the ecumenical movement of the 70s has fallen by the wayside over the last three or so decades with many denominations now doubling down on their claim to the exclusive truth and right to ministry. So even though it shouldn’t matter, in reality it matters a great deal.

Religious organizations aren’t interested in the diversity of opinions. Nor do they entertain doubts about the rightness of action in the name of faith. Nor of openness if it requires compromise. They deal in a received truth that’s unquestionable and not subject to debate. It’s simply believed. That’s what faith and churches are about. Everything else is secondary.

 

[tjh]

… I see the distinction, but does it or should it matter either way is the only question I keep coming to.

I am glad you were able to see the distinction … let me rephrase the question I think you are asking if I may … "should it matter either way if a person in a position of leadership (responsible for leading other believers, and those considering it) in a church, be a person of faith themselves, or shouldn't it matter?" … my respectful response, is going to be how does one lead other believers, and those considering to accept Christ, unless that person understands what it involves, how to begin, and to be able to relate what it has meant for them?? …

I kinda think there is a misconception about being a Worship Team member in most church's (or at least the several I have been involved with) … you don't just learn the material, show up in church and perform, there are expectations … we are expected to accept the responsibility to be there and answer questions for people, and to pray with and for people when asked … I have had young, old, couples, singles all come to me after services just to talk … the church has an expectation because I am part of leadership by being a part of leading Worship, to be able to meet those peoples needs, whether it be to just listen, to offer prayer, or even to know who I can direct them to if I cannot help ... the only way to know how to do that, is to be a functioning member within the church body …

I feel I would have a very hard time doing that, if I did not share the beliefs of those that expect that of me, and especially if I just showed up to play the music (without understanding the intention of it) …

Thanks for the question … it was a VERY good one that I guess I hadn't thought about till you asked …

 

[Mister Boh]

I guess I didn't really understand the scope of responsibilities in some worship teams, as those leading other believers , versus people leading musical worship but not necessarily individuals in their belief.

In one that I went to it was just mostly members, but not all, and as I saw it, the players served more as a guide or conductor to the worship through music that the congregation as a whole partakes in.

Thanks for sharing; it's always nice to learn something.

 

[tjh]

I guess I didn't really understand the scope of responsibilities in some worship teams, as those leading other believers , versus people leading musical worship but not necessarily individuals in their belief.

In one that I went to it was just mostly members, but not all, and as I saw it, the players served more as a guide or conductor to the worship through music that the congregation as a whole partakes in.

Thanks for sharing; it's always nice to learn something.

… the funny thing is, I learned as much as you just did … when it becomes 'old hat' taken for granted, it is easy to forget why we are there as well … I just reminded myself

.. thanks for the great questions, and cordial discussion …

 

[CarpeBasso]

A few people alluded to this suggestion, but I'll take it even farther: attend a variety of local churches, and just be patient with yourself. Don't mention your bass guitar objective. Chances are, in the course of your search you'll find just the right church that resonates with you spiritually. The messages, the people, the vibe and the music will just feel right. So start attending regularly and once folks start to recognize you, and especially once you feel at home and look forward to going on Sundays,then let some people know you'd like to play bass. Things will probably start to move pretty fast after that. After you experience the feeling you're satisfying spiritual needs, the rest just seems to fall into place. And although spiritual well-being is much more important than musical goals, you've accomplished your original goal and so much more. Such was my experience. I'm on the praise team; eventually some of us put together a Contemporary Christian band and we stay really busy playing out.

 

[DaDo625]

A thank you to the OP for posting this, it is something I've been thinking about.
Playing for 2.5 years, started late, take lessons, practice regularly and have a standing Jam with an experienced guitar player. I've also been able to do the open mic blues thing and survive. Read charts, Nashville Number and if you don't rush me I can read standard notation in Bass Clef.
My instructor/teacher (Clay) was a touring (125 gig a year) Bass player and was also the BL/MD for his group when we started.
He has also worked as a paid Guitar and Bass player for some of the local mega churches (DFW) once he stopped touring.
One day he told me: "you are far enough along that you could play in a P&W group, you should look in to that"
Clay often throws out these curve ball challenges when we get together - I might ask for help with something that I'm working on and he will answer that and then drop some "I want you to work on this". Every time it has helped me see/understand/grow as a Bass player and a musician.

And I'm sensitive to how this subject can be with the differing perspectives. I've been volunteering with Habitat for Humanity for 25 years and it would be my way of serving a greater calling. I know how I can feel when someone is there just to check a box or burnish the resume/CV. ("can you sign my form to prove to the court that I was here?")

If you are in a larger city I think that you will see the gamut with regards to P&W.
When I was shopping for a new amp the sales person at a local chain music store turned out to also be a paid bass player for one of those Mega Church with televised service no less. He invited me to come and observe the rehearsal - run through. Another Mega church that a family member attends explained that they have a two year vetting process before anyone steps on the stage, beyond getting through the skills test. (I'm uncomfortable when Associate Pastors are making low to mid six figures..so I deferred)

My mindset is - I would be glad to be your back up - backup, fill in for your rehearsals when your regular can't make it, just be a place holder. More of a "how can I help, and it would be something that would help me"
I'm looking, joined the local FB P&W group, check the Craigslist and keep asking questions.
I have to believe that there are programs that need someone to fill the need (for a Bass player(s)) just as there are those of us who want to be a part of something...

Clay has given me several maxims - the one for this would be "your job is to serve the song"
The other one would not directly apply "your job is to get people on to the dance floor" - I guess we would say "your job is to help move people (spiritually)"

A great range of comments and insights on the thread and I thank you all for taking the time...

 

[Jhengsman]

If you are in a larger city I think that you will see the gamut with regards to P&W.
When I was shopping for a new amp the sales person at a local chain music store turned out to also be a paid bass player for one of those Mega Church with televised service no less. He invited me to come and observe the rehearsal - run through. Another Mega church that a family member attends explained that they have a two year vetting process before anyone steps on the stage, beyond getting through the skills test. (I'm uncomfortable when Associate Pastors are making low to mid six figures..so I deferred)

My mindset is - I would be glad to be your back up - backup, fill in for your rehearsals when your regular can't make it, just be a place holder. More of a "how can I help, and it would be something that would help me"
I'm looking, joined the local FB P&W group, check the Craigslist and keep asking questions.
I have to believe that there are programs that need someone to fill the need (for a Bass player(s)) just as there are those of us who want to be a part of something...

My ex worship leader, former long term missionary married and moved to a mega church where they have a similar set up and audition process. It might be a few years if she ever steps on stage to be one of a handful of back up singers or play her keyboard. I think that the mega church best serves as providing an example of the types of music going on locally but for the reasons mentioned it won't serve as the place available to go to gain experience playing with others. At best you can make contacts and see where the musicians substitute at when they are not on a schedule.

It is the mid sized and smaller churches where you are most likely to see the biggest need and ability to step in after a few get to know you meetings. So we come down to what TB says about the secular band, the money, the hang, the music. For many in service it is about the hang with that local community. Above the minority of gospel churches which feature a bass guitarist in a prominent role like funk, reggae or other bass heavy genres. Eventually the prospective church musician is going to have to walk in a few churches cold and test out the hang.

 

[DaDo625]

It is the mid sized and smaller churches where you are most likely to see the biggest need and ability to step in after a few get to know you meetings. So we come down to what TB says about the secular band, the money, the hang, the music. For many in service it is about the hang with that local community. Above the minority of gospel churches which feature a bass guitarist in a prominent role like funk, reggae or other bass heavy genres. Eventually the prospective church musician is going to have to walk in a few churches cold and test out the hang.

+1
This is much the same at a Habitat affiliate that has multiple build crews. They each have their own "hang" and if it works the day is hard but flies by and can't wait to come back.
Bad hang and it's like having your teeth filed down one at a time...

 

[eatcg]

This is the church you want to play in:

I've played bass and ran sound in a church before (not that one), it was quite a positive experience. That was the time when I would jump on almost any opportunity to log more bass playing/sound running experience, the more diverse the better. Good people, talented and experienced musicians (some even holding performance degrees), big great sounding room, luxurious backline, fairly interesting music. I was happy to make a positive contribution and learn from the experience, the band was happy to have a decent and easy going sub, so much so that even after their regular bassist came back I had an open invitation to sit in on percussion anytime.

We had an explicit mutual understanding as far a godly things went: I did what I did in with courtesy and professionalism, and I was free to exit before the non-musical part began and not participate in church-related conversations nor listen to the lyrics. There was no money involved, only coffee and doughnuts.

Cannot remember what brand of church it was, the connection was made randomly through a friend who introduced me to one of their band members. I offered, they happily accepted, that was it.

 

[MCS4]

BTW- I played in a church band for about 15 years. They were the most highly trained musicians I've ever worked with. Each one could read music, knew theory, and had studied their instrument at the university level.
And then there was me.

I had a similar experience the second time I played in a praise group... this was a decent-sized church in Boston, and most of the band members other than me were either music professionals (teachers, etc.) or music students. The first time was a little different as it was in a very small church at my hometown, where the band was composed of the youth minister, his daughter, and a couple of local high-schoolers (including me).

 

[DaDo625]

This is the church you want to play in:

I've played bass and ran sound in a church before (not that one), it was quite a positive experience. That was the time when I would jump on almost any opportunity to log more bass playing/sound running experience, the more diverse the better. Good people, talented and experienced musicians (some even holding performance degrees), big great sounding room, luxurious backline, fairly interesting music. I was happy to make a positive contribution and learn from the experience, the band was happy to have a decent and easy going sub, so much so that even after their regular bassist came back I had an open invitation to sit in on percussion anytime.

We had an explicit mutual understanding as far a godly things went: I did what I did in with courtesy and professionalism, and I was free to exit before the non-musical part began and not participate in church-related conversations nor listen to the lyrics. There was no money involved, only coffee and doughnuts.

Cannot remember what brand of church it was, the connection was made randomly through a friend who introduced me to one of their band members. I offered, they happily accepted, that was it.

I never get tired of watching that clip...
About as far from "just hang on the I" as you can get...
Something to aspire to...thanks for reminding us...