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How do you achieve Fbass Ceruse Finish?

yeah, just staining and then sanding off will get you this. I tried this with ash and black stain and the non-big pore parts of ash also soak up the finish. I also tried the ArtisFallen method and it didn't work too well. When sanding off the spray paint, you're bound to take a lot off the pores so it wouldn't look too uniform.

I'm gonna try to use the method that scott french used, but I don't have white filler, I want my pores black anyway, and I don't know if a black dye/stain will work with epoxy, as I use epoxy as my grain filler.

crhoton said:
This is a VERY sad attempt I made several years ago. I used a jet mahogany stain, then sanded it off, then went over it with a vintage amber stain, then (not enough) nitro from a spray can.
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I was gonna try this a while back but never got around to it.
Get the clear pore filler from StewMac.....
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It says "can be tinted with ColorTone liquid stains before application"

So, get some of those stains, whichever color you like...
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I'd try the method Scott described, with some tinted pore filler thrown in. I wanted to achieve that "vodoo" finish Gibson was putting on their swamp ash SG's and Les Pauls.
(Black with red grain filler)
 
Scott French said:
Here's what I came up with after about 15 minutes of work using the method I posted above. I don't remember exactly what the F bass one looks like but I don't think this is exactly it. I didn't have black so I just used some blue I had sitting around. The pores are filled with LMI's natural pore filler.

Hey Scott,
what 'blue' is that? I mean the product? it looks like spray, was it in a can? lacquer? acrylic?
 
Well, I just finished with an idea I've had for a while to get this type of finish. I gotta say that it worked out really good!. I just have to wait for the epoxy to cure and lightly sand.

Here's what I did. First of all, I am not trying to get a black background and light streaks, but the other way around. It's an ash body and I wanted to get the black streaks like the link posted earlier here. The dark background/light streaks can be achieved by applying stain before the sealer and using a light colored stain for the epoxy.

I put a light coat of wipe on poly as a sealer once the ash was scraped to provide a smooth surface. Once that was dry I mixed some epoxy and use a black stain that was compatible with it (transtint stains are expensive, but they worked great with system three clear coat). I also thickened the epoxy with silica powder to get the consistency of pore fillers. Once thick enough I used a squeege to apply good coverage and 'forced' the epoxy into the pores. Then I used a razor blade edge at a 45 degree angle to the grain to remove the excess and just leave the blackened epoxy in the big pores. A very thin layer remained and will be lightly sanded when cured. I will post pictures if the process is successful, but it has gone pretty good thus far.

If sanding is used before the sealer, all dust should be removed to allow the epoxy to dig in.

I've always used thickened epoxy for pore filling, and could not find the system's compatible pigments locally. But once I tested the stain/dye, it was a go!
 
nateo said:
She looks awesome Wilser. I just had a thought, though. If you want to match the bubinga top with the grain highlights, why not try some bubinga dust mixed into the epoxy? It's something to think about, at any rate.

-Nate

yeah, I thought about that, but I didn't really want to 'match' but approximate. I wanted it darker than the top.

thanks for the idea, though.
 
wilser said:
I also tried the ArtisFallen method and it didn't work too well. When sanding off the spray paint, you're bound to take a lot off the pores so it wouldn't look too uniform.


i was woried about that. it seemed a little uneven to me, but i chalked it up to me being impatient and wanting to get the paint off before it had actually dried. :hmm: i guess it just didnt work so well after all. looks like you got the right formula though Wilser. good job, that's a sweet job
 
wilser said:
care to share pics please?
Sure. The KL, a blue w-purple grain lines:
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Sandberg: these look not only like wild coloring, but like they also somehow textured the ash to bring out the rings, like either sandblasting, or maybe sanding with a soft pad. Not organic looking!
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Interestingly, the second to last one is what they refer to as "natural" - even though it's extreme regarding the black, it is not overdyed - and the last one seems like maybe the grain fill is yellow, and the overdye black, like the George F "ceruse" (which BTW means "lead" IIRC).

BTW, here's an old thread about the same subject:
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I'm talking about George's Fbass Ceruse finishes: Lets take the two more complex ones. Black & White Ceruse and the other one is Black & Turquoise Ceruse finish.

http://www.fbass.com/finishes.htm

I'm guessing it involves water based dye, sanding in between colors and thin finish like Tung oil or polyurethane between colors as well. Btu which one do you start with or do between coats, basically what is the exact process, and does the final layer has to be Lacquer to get that look, or few coats of Tru-Oil will be fine as well.

Cheers
Here's what I do:

1. Dry sand through 220-grit using garnet or aluminum oxide abrasive. Don't skip grits. When surface preparation is done solely with abrasives, I use 120, 150, 180, 220. When I've planed or scraped the wood, I can often begin the sanding process with 220-grit (Naphtha and an inspection light reveal the condition). The starting grit is determined by the condition of the wood. Regardless of the starting grit, the objective is a consistent scratch pattern across every square inch of the surface before proceeding to a finer grit.

On ring-porous species like oak and ash I may stop sanding at 180-grit. On diffuse-porous species like maple, I always sand to 220.

I don't usually sand raw wood beyond 220-grit because doing so usually inhibits the penetration of finishes. However, I will sometimes sand end-grain beyond 220-grit to exploit this phenomenon to my advantage;

2. Vacuum with a brush attachment to remove sawdust;

3. Moisten the surface of the wood with a lint-free rag moistened with distilled water to pre-raise the grain. Allow to dry thoroughly;

4. Lightly hand-sand with 220-grit to remove the "stubble;"

5. Vacuum again;

6. Position a halogen (or comparable) light sources so its light across the surface of your work;

7. Wipe the surface with a lint-free rag moistened with naphtha. While the surface is wet, look for a consistent scratch pattern free of cross-grain sanding scratches or any other "glitches" that need to be corrected before you start applying finishes;

8. Apply water-soluable analine dye & let dry completely;

9. Seal the wood (and the analine dye) under a coat or two of dewaxed shellac (Zinsser Sealcoat). Let each coat dry thoroughly;

10. Use the inspection light to examine the Sealcoat: sand with 320-grit stearated, open-coat, aluminum oxide abrasive as required to remove surface irregularities and flatten the shellac. Apply more Sealcoat if needed to achieve a flat, consistent, barrier layer;

11. Tint oil-based pore filler with Japan Colors and fill the pores, remove excess. Let dry thoroughly. Lightly sand w/ 320-grit to remove any pore filler left on surface;

12. Clearcoat with a waterborne acrylic finish if I do not want any ambering of the clear coat; otherwise, use the clearcoat of your choice.

13. After a curing period of at least seven days, rub out the clear coat.

You will have to address the different rates of absorbtion of finishing materials into end- and face-grain before the wood has been sealed - make sure you contour your test piece to create grain-exposures similar to those on your bass.

Because ultra-tough finishes can be difficult to repair seamlessly, I prefer clear coats that are easily repaired. I prefer not to use nitrocellulose lacquer for a variety of reasons.

This is what I do: YMMV.

Have fun & good luck!