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How Is Fender USA Quality Control Soooo Horrible?

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Absoluely true.

here's how a Sandberg fits, for similar money:

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This does a good job of illustrating a bit of tolerances!

See those wings on the pickup that the screws fit into to hold the pickup to the body? Not aligned in the wing pockets. For this specific pickguard, if those pockets had been aligned, then the cutout for the control plate wouldn't be(assuming Sandberg isn't fitting the pickguard, then using that as a jig to drill/fit the control plate). There's also a tight gap between the right edge of the pickup and the corresponding edge of the pickguard pocket. Any closer and the pickguard may not have fit at all.

This could be right at the edge of tolerance and a lucky fit, or it could be fit was done to the control plate and got lucky that it fit the pickup, or a bunch of things. It could even be the camera angle not showing things correctly! I haven't exactly seen a wealth of Sandbergs to know what's typical for them.

But it does look nice.
 
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This is not too bad. Any guesses where this Fender was made?

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How about this Jazz clone?

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It can be done if you don't make excuses like tolerance stacking and just get 'er done.
 
I mean...you bought a Fender. Not sure what you expected.

Look, if I buy a Ford product and the fit and finish isn't to Acura or Lexus levels, I need to understand that I saved some money and suck it up.

From one perspective, $2,000 is a lot of money, but from another perspective it isn't.

Can you get a better bass for $2,000? Absolutely. Some of that $2,000 is because it has the Fender name.

You'll return it, someone will buy it for $1850 as a demo, and they'll think they got a great deal.
 
I don't know that I've ever seen a Jazz where they were the exact same width.


Me either - not a single one in over 30 years.

Precision basses have a warp in the pickguard (usually either the top side above the neck - inviting a place to store spare picks - or near the output jack).

Jazz basses have a pickguard that never meets the control plate correctly.

It's the Fender way.

The cheapest, most replaceable part goes awry.

I presume that the body gets drilled for the pickguard, according to a template : and the pickguards themselves are drilled in large batches, but are prone to shifting, warping, and shrinkage - so the two never marry up perfectly.

Fender is a utility brand, not a boutique brand.

Consequently, there's a right way, a wrong way, and the Fender way.

It took me 30+ years to finally give in, and buy a Fender (Am Pro II Precision), and you just have to embrace all their quirks.

For example, I'm primarily a StingRay player, and if you look at how Leo Fender did things at Music Man, compared to Fender (things which Fender has steadfastly clung to, for whatever reason) :

Translucent Finishes

Fender will mostly make their bodies from three pieces, with no attempt to match the grain - it's as if they consider it a point of pride that they've successful glued three pieces of Alder together.

Music Man will mostly make their bodies from two pieces, and the grain will be so well matched, the join will barely be visible.


Poly Finish Robustness

If you so much as look at the finish on a Fender, it will develop swirls, and minor surface scratches.

Music Man finishes are about as robust as one can reasonably expect.


Tuning

The combination of the 3+1 headstock design, and the location of the string tree (A & D) on a Music Man, means the a 1/8 rotation of any of the tuning keys, in either direction, results in an equal change of pitch, sharp or flat.

On a Fender, the 4 in a row, and the string tree location means that if you need to decrease the pitch of the D or G strings, to bring them in tune, you have to significantly slacken them, until they slip under the string tree, before bringing them back up to pitch, with a completely different degree of rotation of the key.


Maple Finger Boards

Since both companies have done away with skunk stripes, and rear mounted truss rods - instead mounting the rod from the front, and then glueing the finger board on :

Fender will will glue a maple finger board on to the neck, with the join clearly visible.

Music Man remove the front of the neck, install the rod, and then glue the exact same piece of wood back in place, to make the finger board with perfectly matched grain, and no visible join.


These are just some of the reasons why I remain primarily a StingRay player, and why Music Man instruments are more expensive than Fender...


But...

A Music Man StingRay is not a Fender Precision.

A Rickenbacker 4001 is not a Fender Precision.

A boutique / custom Precision style bass is not a Fender.


Whilst my Fender Precision may not be absolutely perfect in every single way, it is what it is - which is why we like them in the first place - and I could hardly be happier with it it.

Embrace the Fenderness of their instruments, and the quirks give them character.
 
I'm actually a quality control manager at a very large outfit. The products we manufacture start at 180K and go up from there. It's hard to explain how frustrating the job is. You spend your entire day at work trying to make sure everything is perfect and yet it NEVER will be. I would bet money that Fender recieved a large batch of those pick guards, probably numbering in the hundreds if not thousands, that fit poorly. Someone in upper management wasn't willing to take the loss for throwing all that money in the dumpster so the Production line was forced to use them. It's the worst part of my job.
 
Over the last 40+ years I've owned dozens upon dozens of USA, Mexican, Chinese, Korean, and Indonesian Fenders and Squiers. Some amazing, some perfect, some ok, some kinda bad. Some of the Chinese Squiers, alarmingly, have been absolutely perfect. Every now and then, a USA Fender is as well.

However.

I have never seen such non-existent quality control and pisspoor attention to detail in 40+ years as this latest purchase, a new $1900 (before tax) American Professional II Jazz Bass in Miami Blue that no less than FIVE people signed off on.

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$2097.60 with tax.

$2100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't believe they didn't put strings on it.
 
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If they don't pay attention to the things you CAN see, they DEFINITELY don't pay attention to the things you CAN'T.
o_O
This thread can actually be very useful. Make a list of everyone who can't see (or refuses to care about) the defect, then when one of those people either sells something on here (or builds something for sale), you can weigh their level of attention to detail and take that into consideration when they describe something as "perfect" or "mint", etc.
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...you couldn't see anything wrong with my bass???!!!?!???
:D dude, we see it --- you pointed it out. but you're making assumptions about those who can't get on with your POV.


I'll keep buying Warmoth parts and assemble them myself !
:thumbsup: the best fender is the FSO someone else makes! :laugh: (e.g., our assemblies! ;) )
 
Over the last 40+ years I've owned dozens upon dozens of USA, Mexican, Chinese, Korean, and Indonesian Fenders and Squiers. Some amazing, some perfect, some ok, some kinda bad. Some of the Chinese Squiers, alarmingly, have been absolutely perfect. Every now and then, a USA Fender is as well.

However.

I have never seen such non-existent quality control and pisspoor attention to detail in 40+ years as this latest purchase, a new $1900 (before tax) American Professional II Jazz Bass in Miami Blue that no less than FIVE people signed off on.

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$2097.60 with tax.

$2100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'Must of been put together on a Friday… Agreed, that's pretty poor. All I know is I wouldn't buy that one. However, I'll lay a wager there are more for sale that are a lot better than not.

Now that I'm looking at the pictures , looks like the pick guard is misshapen. If it was replaced with a second one all would be well with the world.
 
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I'm actually a quality control manager at a very large outfit. The products we manufacture start at 180K and go up from there. It's hard to explain how frustrating the job is. You spend your entire day at work trying to make sure everything is perfect and yet it NEVER will be. I would bet money that Fender recieved a large batch of those pick guards, probably numbering in the hundreds if not thousands, that fit poorly. Someone in upper management wasn't willing to take the loss for throwing all that money in the dumpster so the Production line was forced to use them. It's the worst part of my job.

If a company wants a Quality Management System and 99.5% absolutely do not, the following is non negotiable:
1. The Quality Manager must report to the highest single authority onsite. He cannot be overridden by a department manager, supervisor or tough guy employee.
2. The Site Manager must support the Quality Manager and the QMS and demonstrate auditable compliance and support to the Quality Standard being complied to.
3. QA staff must have absolute authority to stop the line and quarantine defective product.
4. Quarantined product has to be further inspected and a disposition assigned before release to begin rework in a secured area to avoid mixing with good production product.
5. The Corrective Action program must be managed without fear or favor to hold department managers accountable for the quality produced on their shift/watch.
6. Formal procedures need to be reviewed for adequacy to identify and eliminate recurrence of any defect found.
7. All departments and processes need to be audited, continually as the primary function of QA staff. Spot checks and approvals are the responsibility of the worker not QA, which should qualify the audit by determining competence and awareness of all employees performing production process. This includes work instructions/traveler information/ specifications/incoming raw materials/consumables/outsourced components right through final finishing and check approvals.
8. All processes need to be challenged via daily audit. All findings need to be posted and made public.
9. Management Review must be monthly as all Quality Standards require them, but don't stipulate a frequency. Monthly data can drive improvement. Daily issues of CAPA's (Corrective Action and Preventative Action requests) to each Department head for defects found in their areas.
10. MANAGEMENT MUST SUPPORT, LIVE, DRIVE AND SUPPORT THIS METHODOLOGY.

Quality is simply living 4 words: "DON'T DELIVER YOUR TRASH".
 
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