How the hell are these bands playing live at home?

[SLIV]

I've been wondering the same thing. It must be all multitracked with video. I know in Apple's Final Cut Pro X you can synch all the video with the audio of each clip in one go. It's kind of magical.

 

[swarfrat]

I have enough trouble trying to get local usb interface round trip latency low enough to monitor without the network round trip latency that I do not think this will work for anyone.

I have to monitor direct even if I am using some sort of processing.

 

[SLIV]

Hey, maybe Talkbass can try one! Multitracked. But who would play bass....?

 

[sotua]

I'm trying to record 13 vocalists, 1 piano and my bass for church. We have Zoom only. Any suggestions to try?

Click track, 13 different videos, video and audio editing software. Through zoom it's not going to happen.

 

[smeet]

The problem is the internet itself. The way it was designed just wont work for real-time collaboration. Latency is unavoidable and unpredictable. If you built a direct hardwired Ethernet connection between band members' computers that could work, but you'd need custom software and it wouldn't work over long distances.

So anyone that seems to be doing it in real-time, almost certainly isn't.

 

[Ric5]

Or are they? They sure seem like they are. But how do they sync up and be able to play off each other so well? Have they really got the delay between members down to so low that you can't notice it? Is this doable on a budget level? What do you need to make it happen, other than a camera and a mic at everyone's house?

technology

I am looking to start jamming in May … live with people … less than 10 people and 6 feet apart … all in the same room …

I would like to plug into the internet and jam with my bass, my headphones, and WIFI

 

[dkelley]

JamKazam probably

 

[Rfan]

I'm sure he gets money instead.

Not as much as you think I'd wager.

 

[dkelley]

Not to side track your thread, Jimmy, but I never understood why Darryl is never in any of the photos, or even acknowledged most of the time. I mean, he's been the Stones' bass player for a long time now. Why does he never get any love ?

He is a hired hand. It's because he literally has zero say in anything they play. But you could look at it positively, even if it isn't the actual reason why - I like to think it's out of respect for Bill, who actually did contribute as part of the band's creative side, at least in his unique bass lines.

Oh, and they may not have played it in real time.... most of those are recorded by recording your part and passing it onto the next guy, and so on, and so on.

But ( a ) if you actually watch and listen you can hear that they are each really playing. no faking there - keith wasn't contributing much LoL, but what he played was there. Charlie too- he can't memorize all of his improvised playing like that, he was using technology. Watch his couch cymbal playing. It's legit... just high tech. Mick is a better guitarist than most folks give him credit for, which is fortunate considering how Keith has stopped playing true rhythm parts completely and just blues licks once in a while with something cool.

Bass, aux percussion, and harmony vocals, and some light keys were done off camera by their standard session pros who shall remain nameless... as is the legacy of being a bass player.

 

[jnewmark]

I'm sure he gets money instead.

Well I would hope so.

 

[jnewmark]

Not as much as you think I'd wager.

True. I think Ronnie Wood was on a much lower pay scale for a long time; might still be for all I know.

 

[dkelley]

True. I think Ronnie Wood was on a much lower pay scale for a long time; might still be for all I know.

true, I'm sure. Which is just tragic - his contributions have been critical and huge, and his character is awesome in that group.

 

[rohi]

Ninjam is also now a viable thing

 

[dkelley]

technology

I am looking to start jamming in May … live with people … less than 10 people and 6 feet apart … all in the same room …

I would like to plug into the internet and jam with my bass, my headphones, and WIFI

I presume you mean if the bans are reduced to say this is safe?

Otherwise, I'd maybe consider only an outdoor jam of some kind, in a private setting?

Out doors might be ok 6 feet apart if you don't share gear and you bring your own foldable chairs and such.

But indoors? With 10 people in one room, if one person has the virus (with or without knowing it yet), you'll likely expose everyone to the virus. This is why 6 feet apart isn't the only restriction - it's transmitted in the air as well, hence face masks (which, by the way, don't work in nearly all cases because the air just leaks around the mask rather than being filtered through it). Air in one room is recirculated by the occupants of the room. Then those folks take it outside the room and go elsewhere.

But out doors certainly is less likely to result in air sharing issues.

Anyhow - good luck with it, hope it becomes safe to jam again sooner or later!

 

[Cave Puppy]

I was in a Facebook group for quite a while where they would come up with a new theme every week, and either individually or in a group, create or cover a song pertaining to the theme. The only we could to it with other folks around the country and around the world was to record your part (to a click track so everyone would be on the same page), video it, and send it to a central drop location where someone would grab all the tracks and mix them. Someone else would grab all the video and make one video.

 

[lermgalieu]

Eh, this isn't working. Either the latency is too high or the sound is crap. Never mind.

Jamkazam didn't work for me/us either. I mean it did, but the latency was unworkable. We've opted for remote, asynchronous collaborations.

 

[Son of Wobble]

I'm finding the hardest part of gigging at home to be getting the consistency of that beer-spit puddle to be just right so that it indelibly stains the Fender tweed case.

 

[DirtDog]

It's all prerecorded if it's in sync. Nothing out there works well. Tired to do a lesson last week and couldn't hear my teacher play guitar at all, he could hear me just fine. Very disjointed.

Yep - there's basically two methods - synchronous or asynchronous.

1. Synchronous is going to suffer from network latency issues to be useable in the foreseeable future. Nobody has come up with a faultless solution yet. Other than, say, television networks that can afford the necessary network technologies involved.

2. Asynchronous - doable, but requires a lot of work, technical knowledge of all participants, time and skill (who's going to edit all that stuff?).

Still, my preference and what we're doing with one of my bands is asynchronous. Record locally, share stems in the cloud, lather, rinse repeat. Downside is our drummer isn't equipped to do this (and his drums are at our guitarist's house), so guitar and I start with a basic backing track (drum loop+ guitar or drum loop+bass) and build iteratively from there.

We haven't yet attempted to record audio AND video asynchronously - but the process would be largely the same, assuming we have a good idea of what we want to record (ie solid arrangement). Although I'm at the verge of doing that just on my own for giggles and whatnot....kinda like what Leo Marachioli/Frog Leap Studios does.

 

[john_g]

I thought about trying this with my band, it would likely need to be asynchronous and I would put it all together in Adobe Premiere or After Effects, but Im not sure the other members could play to a click let alone record audio and video lol so I dropped the idea. A couple of the other guys have been doing their own acoustic covers and putting it up on our FB page. I might just do a bass one or something like that and put it up.

 

[micguy]

It's all prerecorded if it's in sync. Nothing out there works well. Tired to do a lesson last week and couldn't hear my teacher play guitar at all, he could hear me just fine. Very disjointed.

It is all prerecorded - there isn't anything that works over the internet with low enough latency to play with each other in real time. For Easter services, we had a click/guide track sent to us, we recorded our parts (audio and video), sent those in, and our sound tech synced them all up so it made sense.

If you take the view count, and assume that 3 people were watching for each view, it's actually the largest audience I've ever played for (by quite a bit), and I didn't have to leave my loft.