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How to know if you are a bass player

Hang in there, and good on you for having discipline! I'm probably repeating what a lot of other's have said (there's a lot of good advice here, except for the stupid comment about not being "a natural born musician" :rollno:). I've been playing bass for 33 years - many of those years were spent, like yourself, cooped up alone with a tutorial book and a bass, playing scales, chords, etc etc, and making seemingly no progress. I *did* learn a bit that way, but most of it was wasted time going over the same old ground. My growth spurts happened when I played with others - as some have suggested, find a teacher from time to time to pop you out of your comfort zones; definitely find some like-minded friends to just jam with informally - there is NOTHING like playing with other people; finally, for me the biggest growth spurts have happened when I've actually played gigs: nerve-wracking at first, but once you get over that, you can amaze - and thoroughly enjoy - yourself! Don't get discouraged!
 
I have been learning the bass for almost three years. I do not play with a band or have ever had the opportunity due to my 12 hour workday. It's just me, my learning books/DVD’s, and my iPod.

I enjoy playing with my iPod because it affords the band experience that I am lacking.

I am getting discouraged because 8th notes are about as fast and skillful that I can get. I practice at least an hour or more every day, (It kills my sleep schedule but I feel the need to practice). I practice on average 4 hours per day on weekends.

Is this all I am ever going to be? A mediocre player? Anyone else out there like me or am I alone?

Three things really

1/ are you acually practicing or just reinforcing what you know?

Now many people think they are practicing to improve, but you can practice amd ingrain habits and info that make it harder to improve.
You can practice bad and making it easy to be bad as easy as it is to practice good to make it easy to be good.

In order to practice good you have to take new ideas you do not understand and work on them till you do.
The same applies to skills in a way, but skills have a personal expectation as the focus.....not the actual skill application.

Look at this example,
A Brieve is a whole note you strike and sustain it for an 8 count brfore releasing it. So how long that note lasts depends on the tempo, the slower the tempo the longer the sustain, the faster the tempo the shorter the sustain, because it is about the length of time that it takes the 8 to come by.......not the tempo.

So with 8ths the slower the tempo the slower the eights and of course visa versa. So 8 brieves equivilent could be 8ths being played really really slow....depending on the tempo.

So if that can happen, then one reality of practice is that note value depends on understanding counting in relation to tempo.
So when i practiced i practiced everything really slow and sub divided that tempo into time sigs.....i did not play different tempos or speeds if you will, i just played an even slow tempo and sub-divided them into the time sigs........then all i do in increase the tempo to the desired one because that is the only other criteria to apply, but that needs an application of a song or music.
Plus one more thing on this point, most of what you play will be 4/4 based, so every new song you learn that is 4/4 based is not practice because you can play 4/4 already, all you are doing is sub dividing what you already know.
OK it may have some syncopation or off beats, but it is still 4/4 and you already know 4/4.
Try practicing 3/4 and get comfortable with that, because when you add 3/4 and 4/4 time sigs you move into a new area of compound or complicated times sigs. Again this is about learning to relate a count, it is not tempo, tempo can vary from 45 BPM to 200 BPM but the count is the same regardless of tempo.

2/ do you practice major and minor scales?

If you practice the two stop. You do not need to practice them, just recognise and hear them.
Play a major scale of your choice over two octaves and look at what you have actually done. Look at the 6th degree of the scale, you played the relitive minor scale within the major scale.......so you in fact played two scales.....not one.
Take this idea a stage further and start with the lowest scale note available to you and play to the highest note and you will find you only have 12 positions to play 12 scales that will cover all major and natural minor scales, as well as triads, arpeggios, and chord extensions to the 13th, as well as chord tone substitutes etc....all from playing 12 times.

The 12 times or 12 positions has a lot of imformation to learn so take each position work on it a wring it dry of info. In this way you have broken down a lot of info into small, but related chunks to learn. The more you learn the more you see and hear how they interact and build up a library of skills and knowledge to draw from.....you give yourself good foundations to build on.

3/ do you warm up and practice in small sessions?

A lot of player just play for hours and think it is practice, but the reality is it is just tiring out already tired hands. Think about it, you work all day then come home and practice so you are already tired when ypu start, not only physically, but mentally as well.
So why practice at night, go to bed early, get up early and practice before work, then you have better rested and refreshed mind and body to work with. Break practice down to warm up, read up on what you will practice, practice it, rest. Then practice and rest for small sessions till you have got it, then move on.
A lot of player hang around to long on certain practice ideas. Because many ideas are related and are based on application the student does not know when enough is enough, but a good teacher would.
Many music ideas are anout understanding, from that understanding develops skills to play and perform the idea.
So improvment is led by the mind not by skills or techniques, so let me explain that.

Play any scale...not slap it, nowfinger pick it, now tap it, now add any effect, use 3 finger picking, 4 finger picking, fret it one finger per fret, fret it Simandl etc etc......now matter what you do the information of the scale is the same in all, nothing changes with any new or different technique....so if you played a G major scale, then it will always be a G major scale, and so will all the information you have learned about that G Major scale will still be the same.....you really have mot learned anything new about G major.

Check out these 3 points and look honestly at how you practice....are you really practicing or just going over what you already know?:)
 
Most of what I had to say has already been said so I'll make it short:

1. Lessons ARE a good way to give you some direction and ensure your technique isn't off. Even a lesson once a month or every couple of months is good just to kind of keep yourself on track. I'm sure you could find someone to do weekend lessons if that is your only free available time.

2. Quality over quantity when practicing is vital. Another good thing about lessons is your teacher can help you figure out what things you're practicing that aren't really doing much to help you improve. They can also steer you in the right direction as far as WHAT to practice. There are plenty of threads on here that cover WHAT and HOW to practice if you're looking for a cheaper way to get on the right track.
Playing the same songs over and over again probably isn't going to help you much once you've already mastered them.

3.I don't know why people get hung up on natural talent so much. I went to school for music and I've come to believe that as long as you aren't tone deaf(can't tell a difference between one note and another), anyone can learn to play an instrument and even be very good on it. All it takes is time and a little direction, along with a willingness to put in the time. It's just like anything else, if you don't put in the time then you're not going to get better. Do you think (insert professional of any field) just one day decided to do something and were an instant pro? Of course not. They spent a good portion of their life getting to where they are.

It sounds like you already have the dedication/love of the instrument to be a good player and maybe even a great player with time. All that's left is a little direction.

Keep on with it....
 
Get a teacher.

Even the difference between a bad teacher and a good teacher can change the quality of your playing almost overnight.

Not only will a teacher give you good exercises for improving your playing, they'll also be better than you at identifying weak spots in your game and preventing you from practicing mistakes.

Not sure where you live, but if you have a music store, they'll either have teachers in house or will be able to refer you out.
 
You probably don't have a natural ability to be a musician. Some people can practice for triple the amount of time then someone else and still be 10 times worse. I personally can tell whether someone is a natural or not just from seeing them play with a couple months of experience. Obviously i have never seen you play but it sounds to me like you aren't a natural born musician.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Learning bass takes time. You really need to play with others. I sucked balls for the first 5 years I played. Then I found a good teacher and within 6 months I was gigging regularly. Don't be discouraged. Get out of your bedroom, find some other musicians to jam with and maybe take a lesson or two. Most important, have fun.

Oh, and an hour a day is NOT a lot of practice time so don't be too hard on yourself.
 
I believe that if you have an everyday desire and confidence thereafter about playing, it makes you a musician. Anyone who's willing to lose sleep is just that much more dedicated. I would say yes you are a bass player IMO but whether you are a bass player in a band remains to be seen. So just see how it turns out man. If you do end up with an opportunity for a different job and you really want to make music that bad, just stick to your guns and do what you want.
 
How to know if you are a bass player?

- you can count to 1.
- you hang out with the drummer a lot.
- you even defend drummer jokes.
- you b!tch about guitar players.
- you listen the other band members.
- your favorite bands/songs/albums feature awesome basslines.
- you know the bass players name but not the guitarists name.

but most of all...
- you get the in-jokes on this forum!! :lol:
 
How to know if you are a bass player?

- you can count to 1.
- you hang out with the drummer a lot.
- you even defend drummer jokes.
- you b!tch about guitar players.
- you listen the other band members.
- your favorite bands/songs/albums feature awesome basslines.
- you know the bass players name but not the guitarists name.

but most of all...
- you get the in-jokes on this forum!! :lol:

I was thinkin' this too! Here are a couple more...

-when somebody hands you a guitar, you say "what the hell is this?"
-when you are watching a music DVD, you complain because they don't show the bass player enough.
-you have finally realized playing bass probably won't get you laid.
-you actually know something about music!
:cool:
 
How to know if you are a bass player?

- you can count to 1.
- you hang out with the drummer a lot.
- you even defend drummer jokes.
- you b!tch about guitar players.
- you listen the other band members.
- your favorite bands/songs/albums feature awesome basslines.
- you know the bass players name but not the guitarists name.

but most of all...
- you get the in-jokes on this forum!! :lol:

-S*** I can count way more than one ...
-Never did ...
-Don't really heard them
-ok this yes
-not really, it is all a matter of context, if you are like this bass line is so tasty, play it without the rest of the band... it will be lame and very boring. But I'm a huge defender of playing everything with a bass ... it is only a music tool in the end.
-It took me 14 years to know the name of some bass players ... I really didn,t give a f*** about who played what and try to emulate them and worship everything because it is sooooo tasty ... whatever.

-I don,t get them most of the time and think a lot of people think they are the hero in the shadow, without them everything fall appart ... which shouldn't be the case at all.
 
I was thinkin' this too! Here are a couple more...

-when somebody hands you a guitar, you say "what the hell is this?"
-when you are watching a music DVD, you complain because they don't show the bass player enough.
-you have finally realized playing bass probably won't get you laid.
-you actually know something about music!
:cool:

+1
I finally realised I had become a true bass player for these very reasons, especially on the music video point.
I would like to add:
-When you can no longer listen to music without extensive focus on the bassline.
 
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Find some jamming buds, and you'll probably find that you're better than you think. And stop thinking about whether you're good or bad, but just enjoy it. And don't forget that most times less is more. Think about articulation more than how many notes you can play in a measure.
 
You probably don't have a natural ability to be a musician. Some people can practice for triple the amount of time then someone else and still be 10 times worse. I personally can tell whether someone is a natural or not just from seeing them play with a couple months of experience. Obviously i have never seen you play but it sounds to me like you aren't a natural born musician.

Please tell me that you don't work on a suicide hot-line or anything like that...
 
You will know you are a bass player when you are rocking with a band. That's where the magic happens. Whether it is on stage or in the garage, playing with other musicians is essential and will help you progress. Your skill level should not be an issue. Just do it!