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How would define "bad music"?
- Thread starter bassliner50
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Always interesting that this kind of stuff, or Brian Eno, or even new wave and post punk, are never used as examples of bad music made by computers, but rap always immediately is. Wonder what that's about!
1. I amended my post to make it a little more obvious.
2. No, I know exactly what that's about but I don't want to get too confrontational.
If you're talking commercially released music............Most of it would not be released if their was no market for it. I think it mostly comes down to preferences.
I hear you. Other than the extremely obvious it's probably exposure. Rap/hip hop is everywhere and has been offending the same people and their offspring since day one. Eno and stuff like that was never brought to the mainstream in great numbers.
True enough! Unfortunately just about everything is done with computers at this point, and of course the hallmark of hip hop is very much not the fact that it's done with computers.
Also, a lot of the new stuff just isn't very good, but I think that's just because I am Getting Old (mid thirties).
I'll be 58 in a month or so and have found more new, or new to me, cool stuff the past ten years than the twenty previous. It's out there. We just need to dig a bit.
Oh, I was talking about in the realm of hip hop specifically. Agreed that a lot of really cool stuff is happening in music right now generally, though.
FTR, I NEVER said Rap was “Bad.” What I posted was that I believe it would more hip to use talented musicians instead of the computers; and, if done correctly, that would make the music more interesting.
Please stop inferring nastiness where none exists. Our pop music has been diverse for as long as it has been played. The concept of Rap is great - basically modern beatnik music. thumbs up. My suggesting the music could be improved by using capable improv musicians has zero to do with the nastiness you are apparently seeking to inject. Ply your wares elsewhere.
There is exactly as much bad "computer music" as there is bad non-computer music in my view.
It's a tool like any other, one which requires skill, technical understanding and musicianship to use well.
Gate-keeping "computer music" is nonsense when the gate crashed open over 4 decades ago.
I agree that I'd like to see more hip hop embrace live musicianship, like the Roots etc.
I always was impressed by LL Cool J's Mtv unplugged performance
And the tip o the hat to Otis Redding in the breakdown
It's a tool like any other, one which requires skill, technical understanding and musicianship to use well.
Gate-keeping "computer music" is nonsense when the gate crashed open over 4 decades ago.
I agree that I'd like to see more hip hop embrace live musicianship, like the Roots etc.
I always was impressed by LL Cool J's Mtv unplugged performance
And the tip o the hat to Otis Redding in the breakdown
Wasn't calling you out specifically as I didn't see your posts on the matter, I've just been here long enough to see this thread always go in a certain direction and saw it drifting that way once again over the last few pages.
I do agree that it's more fun with live instrumentation, as are most things!
So a few Jazz - and ECM artists who are good readers and composers as well as improvisers have used DJs and RAP and computer generated or sequenced music.
Here are some artist who are not pop and up there in the art form...
Pat Metheny when he plays the Orchestrion -- he uses Ableton Live
Christian McBride LIve at the Tonic - he had DJ Logic and Scratch play with him, HipHop and Rap and Beatbox
Brad Meldhau - one of his albums utilizes sequencers.
John Surman - he use sequencers live
Charlie Hunter - plays with Rap and Hip Hop Artists
Here are some artist who are not pop and up there in the art form...
Pat Metheny when he plays the Orchestrion -- he uses Ableton Live
Christian McBride LIve at the Tonic - he had DJ Logic and Scratch play with him, HipHop and Rap and Beatbox
Brad Meldhau - one of his albums utilizes sequencers.
John Surman - he use sequencers live
Charlie Hunter - plays with Rap and Hip Hop Artists
Ted Nugent - I listened to him as a young teen but felt unsafe in one of his concerts. Me and my friend decided to leave midway for fear of being beaten in the parking lot. Did not know about his politics until went to a show.
I think its just cause there's just plenty of "hmmm computer bad. Whippersnappers and their rapz with no melody/harmony isnt real music" in this thread and most others whenever this comes up. The "rap/hip hop with a band" config is still very current and active. Not that I'm gonna be convincing anyone with this recc but Death Grips uses a synth player and drummer alongside the MC so its all band personnel. It's just they're even more abrasive for folks who aren't into hip hop than normal. It's intentional, extreme, and different (and I totally get it's not for everyone. It's just an example).
On the flip side, Clipping has 2 fellas that are deep synth-heads who score movies as their day job for generating and live sampling beats alongside pre built triggered sounds (that they make in house. Their synth module wall is insane)
British artist Kae Tempest mixes both where there's triggers and pre-built sampling over a band that includes an electric kit and I believe at least 2 keyboards/synths.
Do I enjoy seeing a group put together the music live more? Yeah. But as much as 16 year old me would be mortified to admit it, dubstep, edm, and sample-only backed hip hop are not necessarily bad or good based on personnel
His politics and ridiculous hyper-machismo schtick aside, he's a mediocre guitarist and singer at best, and his 70's screech-rock did not hold up well. Another Blowhard with the perpetual chip on his shoulder, but now nobody cares about knocking it off. Meh.
