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How would define "bad music"?

#261
bucephylus said:
Please stop inferring nastiness where none exists. Our pop music has been diverse for as long as it has been played. The concept of Rap is great - basically modern beatnik music. thumbs up. My suggesting the music could be improved by using capable improv musicians has zero to do with the nastiness you are apparently seeking to inject. Ply your wares elsewhere.
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If you thought I was referring to you or anyone else here, you are mistaken.
 
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#262
I've infected my kids with my musical taste. They have access to everything, like all modern kids, and choose to listen to a lot of the stuff I grew up with. It comes and goes, with peaks of creativity, I don't think they realize that the "Classic Rock" still blaring from all the local radio stations was the "cream of the crop" so to speak, and that it emerged over time from from the Oceans of Crap inherent to all pop music eras. That said, I'm not hearing anything too interesting on the radio now, at least Top 40. The whole Autotune trend, which allows even the most untalented but physically attractive singer to succeed, really turns me off.
 
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#263
Gilmourisgod said:
I've infected my kids with my musical taste. They have access to everything, like all modern kids, and choose to listen to a lot of the stuff I grew up with. It comes and goes, with peaks of creativity, I don't think they realize that the "Classic Rock" still blaring from all the local radio stations was the "cream of the crop" so to speak, and that it emerged over time from from the Oceans of Crap inherent to all pop music eras. That said, I'm not hearing anything too interesting on the radio now, at least Top 40. The whole Autotune trend, which allows even the most untalented but physically attractive singer to succeed, really turns me off.
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Wish our classic rock station played the "cream of the crop".


We get the "cream of the 80's crap" and little else.
 
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#264
5StringBlues said:
Wish our classic rock station played the "cream of the crop".


We get the "cream of the 80's crap" and little else.
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More Than A Feeling
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Caught Up In You
38 Special

Lights
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Big City Nights
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The Boys Of Summer
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American Girl
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Live And Let Die
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Unskinny Bop
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My Best Friend's Girl
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Sister Christian
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She's A Beauty
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Layla
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Livin' On A Prayer
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I Want You To Want Me (live)
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Is This Love
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Burning Heart
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D'yer Mak'er
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Beast Of Burden
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November Rain
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2 G n R in one hour? Ugh



And of course, any actual classic rock is going to be the same Zep or Stones as usual. Never a deep cut.





KINKS? Fuggitabout it.
 
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5StringBlues said:
More Than A Feeling
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Caught Up In You
38 Special

Lights
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Big City Nights
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The Boys Of Summer
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American Girl
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Live And Let Die
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Unskinny Bop
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My Best Friend's Girl
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Sister Christian
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She's A Beauty
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Layla
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Livin' On A Prayer
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I Want You To Want Me (live)
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Is This Love
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Burning Heart
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D'yer Mak'er
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Hurts So Good
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Beast Of Burden
Rolling Stones

November Rain
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In The Air Tonight
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2 G n R in one hour? Ugh



And of course, any actual classic rock is going to be the same Zep or Stones as usual. Never a deep cut.





KINKS? Fuggitabout it.
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I am not sure what you are saying in this post. Can you clarify?
 
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#268
bucephylus said:
FTR, I NEVER said Rap was “Bad.” What I posted was that I believe it would more hip to use talented musicians instead of the computers; and, if done correctly, that would make the music more interesting.
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Technically anything with a microcontroller is a computer, so sound modules are computers - maybe you meant sequence. When it started, they just used turn tables, no computers. I think DJs that created beats that way are talented and anyone who use the classic drum machines are also talented.

It takes skill to use Ableton love for EDM music for example. These hyper DJs are skilled, they read the crowd and the room and make changes on the fly. Attend an EDM show in Germany or France, Amapiano in South Africa and I think those DJs are skilled and musical.

How about Nils Frahm -- uses computers and sequences too but a damn good pianist.
 
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logdrum said:
These hyper DJs are skilled, they read the crowd and the room and make changes on the fly. Attend an EDM show in Germany or France, Amapiano in South Africa and I think those DJs are skilled and musical.

How about Nils Frahm -- uses computers and sequences too but a damn good pianist.
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Let's have a shout out for wedding DJs. Their job is not to impress 5000 adoring fans who paid good money to see them. It's to get the grandmother of the bride and the punk nephew and his girlfriend onto the floor for a couple of songs without alienating the groom's people. You'd think bands and their fake books would have a natural advantage in that. But IME not all band leaders excel at making those calls.
 
#273
Obese Chess said:
Oh, oh!

This is a fun one for me as it's something I've spent a lot of time thinking about - and with the death of music criticism this century I think it's something more people should think about, but I digress.

For me, the biggest part of whether I label something "bad" vs "not for me" is whether or not what I am listening to is authentic. If I can tell that someone truly put their heart and soul into something, whatever it is, even if it's something fun and silly, I'm not going to say it's "bad," but it might not be for me. There's stuff out there that leaves me cold but I can tell someone busted their ass to make it, so I give it a pass even if I don't like it much.

I think that leads to a second thing, which is that a lot of music I think is bad is also incredibly lazy. Endless droning vocalizations (ooohhh hooaaaahhh whhoaaa whoa whoooaaa hey), frequently repeated lyrics, rhyming words with themselves over and over again, incredibly basic song structure/composition in a genre that doesn't lend itself to it, that sort of thing.

I also agree with an above comment about some things being poorly composed, poorly constructed, or poorly performed, but it's pretty rare to hear stuff that meets those metrics outside of like, DIY punk or noise shows these days.

So, basically, if I can tell someone worked really hard to show me their vision, I'm not going to think it sucks, even if I don't like listening to it. If there's no vision or they phoned it in, it sucks.
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Here's an example of all of the above. I realize that they're kind of a meme at this point for this exact thing, like Nickelback before them, but let's take the band Imagine Dragons, specifically their song "Thunder." There are two verses of eight bars each, but the entire remainder of the lyrics for the song, clocking three minutes and seven seconds is:

Thunder, thunder
Thunder, thun-
Thunder, th-th-thunder, thunder,
Thunder, thunder, thun-
Thunder, th-th-thunder, thunder,
Thunder, feel the thunder
(Thunder, thunder, thun-)
Lightning then the thunder
(Thunder, th-th-thunder, thunder)
Thunder, feel the thunder
(Thunder, thunder, thun- thun-)
Lightning, then the thunder, thunder, thunder
(Th-th-thunder)
Thunder (Thun- thun-)
Thunder, feel the thunder
Lightning then the thunder, thunder
Thunder, thunder
Thunder, thun-
Thunder, th-th-thunder, thunder,
Thunder, thunder, thun-
Thunder, th-th-thunder, thunder,
Thunder, feel the thunder
(Thunder, thunder, thun-)
Lightning then the thunder
(Thunder, th-th-thunder, thunder)
Thunder, feel the thunder
(Thunder, thunder, thun- thun-)
Lightning, then the thunder, thunder, thunder
(Th-th-thunder)
Thunder (Thun- thun-)
Thunder, feel the thunder
Lightning then the thunder, thunder
Thunder, thunder
Thunder, thun-
Thunder, th-th-thunder, thunder,
Thunder, thunder, thun-
Thunder, th-th-thunder, thunder,
Thunder, feel the thunder
(Thunder, thunder, thun-)
Never give up on your dreams
Lightning then the thunder
(Thunder, th-th-thunder, thunder)
Thunder, feel the thunder
(Thunder, thunder, thun- thun-)
Never give up on your dreams
Lightning, then the thunder, thunder, thunder
(Th-th-thunder)
Thunder (Thun- thun-)
Never give up on your dreams
Thunder, feel the thunder
Lightning then the thunder, thunder
Thunder, thunder, thun-
Thunder, th- th-thunder, thunder
THunder, thunder, thun-
Thunder, th-th-thunder, thunder
Whoa oh ohh
Thunder, thunder, thun-
Thunder, th-th-thunder, thunder
Whoa oh ohh
THunder, thunder, thun-
Thunder, th-th-thunder, thunder
Whoa oh ohh

So, that's IMPOSSIBLY lazy, right? The music is done largely by computer despite them allegedly being a "rock band," there's a synthesized high pitched voice repeating the word "thunder" in the background, and the lead vocalist is a Mormon from Nevada singing in a fake patois, which is about as inauthentic as you can get.

Now, we would mostly agree that that is bad music, but per Wikipedia:
"Imagine Dragons have sold more than 74 million albums and 65 million digital songs worldwide, making them one of the world's best-selling music artists. They have also earned 160 billion streams across music platforms. They were the most streamed group of 2018 on Spotify, the first rock act to have four songs ... to surpass one billion streams each, and the only group in RIAA history to have four songs certified higher than Diamond."

So what do I know?
 
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