hulk = underrated & iron man =overrated

[Georynn]

The problem with both of these guys is that they are b-roll superheros. There isn't the story depth with these characters with someone like Batman, the X-Men, Superman, et al. When you apply A-roll money and talent to b-roll source material you get a couple of movies that are pretty much just a "meh.".

As a comparison, Spiderman has been Stan Lee's favorite since he was first put to ink.

Now that Marvel has gotten the "origin" of these two characters out of the way, the next movie(s) will have more time to tell a story without the burden of having to develop the character from the ground up.

Hmmm,
Hulk
Fantastic four
Iron Man
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Doctor Strange
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The Mighty Thor
Ant-Man

Sounds like they are putting a Group together....

 

[Dr Stankface]

Not saying the Hulk was bad but it was nothing compared to Iron Man.

 

[john turner]

The problem with both of these guys is that they are b-roll superheros. There isn't the story depth with these characters with someone like Batman, the X-Men, Superman, et al. When you apply A-roll money and talent to b-roll source material you get a couple of movies that are pretty much just a "meh.".

the hulk is b-roll? his back story is way more interesting than superman's. sheesh.


YOU MAY CONSIDER IT _ON_, SIR!

 

[awakefie]

The previous Hulk movie was so bad that I have to admit to prejudging this new one.

That was my first thought when I saw this thread too. I literally could not wade through the first Incredible Hulk. I tried it 3 times (picked it up in a DVD bargain bin). I'm a huge Marvel fan.

I didn't much care for Iron Man much either. I knew what to expect (after collecting comic books in my youth) but they put way too much emphasis on Stark's rough edges. Plus I'm not a Downey fan so much. Plus, my daughter was upset when she saw

 

[smperry]

the hulk is b-roll? his back story is way more interesting than superman's. sheesh.


YOU MAY CONSIDER IT _ON_, SIR!

lol.

 

[MakiSupaStar]

the hulk is b-roll? his back story is way more interesting than superman's. sheesh.


YOU MAY CONSIDER IT _ON_, SIR!

The Hulk's story is fairly interesting, but the story isn't nearly as deep as the other characters. Or at least, lets put it this way, I haven't had the desire to go and seek all Hulk comics out for reading, like the other ones. There's a reason the other superheros are more popular. They have better story, and or a story that translates to film better. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this is because they didn't market the Hulk comics as well as the others. But the fact remains I am a simple consumer, like most people paying money for these movies. I just don't feel there's enough of a gritty story to build the hulk off of. Ironman even less. I felt the Hulk movies were pretty "meh", although I have to admit I didn't see the last one (primarily because I wasn't impressed with the predecessors). I liked Ironman better, but even that movie was kind of forgettable. It was nearly as good as Batman, Batman begins, or didn't have the kind of epicness that the Superman movies had (even if they are dated now).

 

[smperry]

Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think you are. The proof's in the pudding. Whatever that means.

 

[john turner]

oh, dude. you gotta check out planet hulk. the rest of the marvel crew finally get sick of the hulk's rampages after he destroys las vegas (iirc) so they knock him out and send him into space. of course tony stark and reed richards get their math wrong and send him to the wrong planet. conan-esque on steroids hilarity ensues. (seriously, the story is frickin amazing. hulk goes to a planet where he can actually get hurt. he's made a gladiator, forced to fight for the amusement of others, until eventually he finds a way to free himself. and then he proceeds to rampage).

my favorite marvel graphic novel i've read in maybe five years, and i'm generally a marvel guy.

wait. we were talking about movies.

of course the dark knight is, imo, one of the five best movies of all time, regardless of genre. but still.

GIVE HULK HIS PROPS!

 

[awakefie]

Hmmm,
Hulk
Fantastic four
Iron Man
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Doctor Strange
[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
The Mighty Thor
Ant-Man

Sounds like they are putting a Group together....

I noticed Disney brought back the Avengers. Wow, I loved the comic books but the cartoon sure stunk.

 

[Marcus Willett]

Spiderman has been Stan Lee's favorite since he was first put to ink

Stan Lee, 1990: "...if push comes to shove and I really have to name the one that turns me on the most...it just has to be that high-flyin', parable-spoutin', cosmic-powered, shiny domed spanner of the starry spaceways-arguably the most unique and certainly the most soliloquizing super hero of them all-the Silver Surfer....[he] comes closest to being the ultimate, quintessential super hero."

This one is hoping he gets a reboot after the lackluster Fantastic Four 2. Script has been submitted but it might take until rights to the character revert to Marvel; like with the Hulk.

 

[Georynn]

I noticed Disney brought back the Avengers. Wow, I loved the comic books but the cartoon sure stunk.

Disney?
The cartoon versions of marvel comics have spanned good('60's) to horrible (jetix) and all points in between. The most recent incarnation of the Avengers in cartoon form certainly is geared towards younger audiences.

Stan Lee, 1990: "...if push comes to shove and I really have to name the one that turns me on the most...it just has to be that high-flyin', parable-spoutin', cosmic-powered, shiny domed spanner of the starry spaceways-arguably the most unique and certainly the most soliloquizing super hero of them all-the Silver Surfer....[he] comes closest to being the ultimate, quintessential super hero."

This one is hoping he gets a reboot after the lackluster Fantastic Four 2. Script has been submitted but it might take until rights to the character revert to Marvel; like with the Hulk.

I hope you are right some of my favorite story arcs involve silver surfer. Maybe I'll even get to see my favorite Marvel character of all time... Adam Warlock

 

[Benjamin Strange]

Fact? I'll give you facts:

The Hulk (directed by Ang Lee) was edgy, nuanced, and different. People didn't like it because there was too much talking and not enough smashing. True, the effects weren't amazing, but the story was pretty good, and Eric Bana was a superior Bruce Banner.

The Incredible Hulk (the new one), is heavy on smash, little on story, and the effects still suck. Edward Norton is a weak Bruce Banner.

Iron Man was superbly directed, with a good story, good acting, and was a lot of fun. Flawless? No, but certainly superior to either Hulk movie.

Fact.

 

[MakiSupaStar]

oh, dude. you gotta check out planet hulk. the rest of the marvel crew finally get sick of the hulk's rampages after he destroys las vegas (iirc) so they knock him out and send him into space. of course tony stark and reed richards get their math wrong and send him to the wrong planet. conan-esque on steroids hilarity ensues. (seriously, the story is frickin amazing. hulk goes to a planet where he can actually get hurt. he's made a gladiator, forced to fight for the amusement of others, until eventually he finds a way to free himself. and then he proceeds to rampage).

my favorite marvel graphic novel i've read in maybe five years, and i'm generally a marvel guy.

wait. we were talking about movies.

of course the dark knight is, imo, one of the five best movies of all time, regardless of genre. but still.

GIVE HULK HIS PROPS!

Even without reading it, that kind of story line just sounds typically "comic". It's heavy-handed plot development. You and I agree on the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight transcends typical "comic" elements of a graphic novel and or story and places itself firmly within the realm of good literature. There's no evidence where the writers stepped in and "wrote themselves out of a corner". Everything plays out smoothly. Maybe you're used to heavy-handed herky-jerky transitions because you're a prog. rock player , but I like my puppet strings hidden, where the language, and evidence of the author is transparent, so the characters and story shine through.

Still, I'll check it out, but I'm dubious, skeptical, and entering this with my arms crossed.

 

[Bayou_Brawler]

Fact? I'll give you facts:

The Hulk (directed by Ang Lee) was edgy, nuanced, and different. People didn't like it because there was too much talking and not enough smashing. True, the effects weren't amazing, but the story was pretty good, and Eric Bana was a superior Bruce Banner.

The Incredible Hulk (the new one), is heavy on smash, little on story, and the effects still suck. Edward Norton is a weak Bruce Banner.

Iron Man was superbly directed, with a good story, good acting, and was a lot of fun. Flawless? No, but certainly superior to either Hulk movie.

Fact.

nu uh!

 

[Benjamin Strange]

nu uh!

Yuh huh!

 

[john turner]

Even without reading it, that kind of story line just sounds typically "comic". It's heavy-handed plot development. You and I agree on the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight transcends typical "comic" elements of a graphic novel and or story and places itself firmly within the realm of good literature. There's no evidence where the writers stepped in and "wrote themselves out of a corner". Everything plays out smoothly. Maybe you're used to heavy-handed herky-jerky transitions because you're a prog. rock player , but I like my puppet strings hidden, where the language, and evidence of the author is transparent, so the characters and story shine through.

Still, I'll check it out, but I'm dubious, skeptical, and entering this with my arms crossed.

HARRUMPH.

bet you'll dig it

 

[MakiSupaStar]

HARRUMPH.

bet you'll dig it

Like I said. I'm dubious, skeptical, and my arms are crossed. But I will check it out.

 

[john turner]

Fact? I'll give you facts:

The Hulk (directed by Ang Lee) was edgy, nuanced, and different. People didn't like it because there was too much talking and not enough smashing. True, the effects weren't amazing, but the story was pretty good, and Eric Bana was a superior Bruce Banner.

i did like the movie, but i couldn't stand howdy doodie banner.

The Incredible Hulk (the new one), is heavy on smash, little on story, and the effects still suck. Edward Norton is a weak Bruce Banner.

from what i heard there were disputes regarding the final running time of the incredible hulk (new one). studio wanted, and got, 20 minutes cut from the version the producers, including norton, had originally intended.

Iron Man was superbly directed, with a good story, good acting, and was a lot of fun. Flawless? No, but certainly superior to either Hulk movie.

Fact.

iron man is good because it takes a proven IP (batman) and builds and tweaks it, instead of starting from scratch. also the whole cinderella story behind RDJ's involvement makes people feel warm and fuzzy, just as HL's untimely death cast a spooky pall upon the joker.

 

[Georynn]

oh, dude. you gotta check out planet hulk. the rest of the marvel crew finally get sick of the hulk's rampages after he destroys las vegas (iirc) so they knock him out and send him into space. of course tony stark and reed richards get their math wrong and send him to the wrong planet. conan-esque on steroids hilarity ensues. (seriously, the story is frickin amazing. hulk goes to a planet where he can actually get hurt. he's made a gladiator, forced to fight for the amusement of others, until eventually he finds a way to free himself. and then he proceeds to rampage).
GIVE HULK HIS PROPS!

So did you like World War Hulk as well?

 

[TheXym]

Personally I preferred the Iron Man movie to either Hulk, but the Hulk comics didn't really do it for me. I think the Avengers bit is a foregone conclusion, particularly with the S.H.I.E.L.D. inferences in Iron Man.

I'd also agree with Maki's assertion that they're B-role heroes. Spider-Man, FF are "A-list" for Marvel. DC - Superman, Batman, etc.

Personally, not to derail the thread, but I'd LOVE to see a Green Lantern movie (as long as it's Hal Jordan and not John Stewart, Guy Gardner, or Kyle Rayner, though Gardner would be tolerable if done right).